# Lost 9/29 (unboxed spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 30, 2004, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769 "2004-09-30T01:03:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![barking\_frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@barking\_frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barking_frog)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/161 "2004-10-03T16:49:15Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > Okay, I am really pissed right now. I forgot to tape the first episode so when I heard they were showing the first two episodes tonight I was all set to tape them and my stupid local channel decided everyone would rather watch the local college team get their asses whooped so they carried the ESPN broadcast of the game. I can’t find anything on the local affiliate’s website about them planning to replay it so does anyone know some other way I can get a tape of the first two episodes? Your local exploding star. That’s all I can say. > [@FordPrefect](#): > > I started watching about half way through so I missed some of the set up scenes. But did no one see Kate come aboard locked up? She was in cuffs but nobody alive seems to recall a freaking prisoner? She was dressed in normal clothes, so no, I imagine most of the passengers didn’t notice. > [@PunditLisa](#): > > Because they weren’t anywhere near Bermuda. The pilot said they were 1000 miles off course. Even if they were THREE thousand miles off course, there’s no way they would have been even close to Bermuda. They’d have had to cross the entire continental United States (or, if they were flying in the wrong direction, TWO continents plus the better part of two oceans) to get to the Bermuda triangle, which is off the east coast of the U.S. > > I know they didn’t have the time to make such a trek, and am almost sure a jet doesn’t even have the fuel capacity to do that. That wasn’t the point. He was referring to a Bermuda-like phenomenon (which, by the way, has already been mentioned). ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/162 "2004-10-03T20:12:14Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Good point, that. I thought it odd too, but never thought it out as to why. > > I would assume that most everybody knew most everybody’s name after 24, 48 hours, with a few of them bringing special interest (the lone child, the pregnant lady) almost immediately. I thought the “You had a bad month” line was quite realistic and honest. > > I think it’s quite obvious (to me, anyway) that they are in [The Land of the Lost](http://www.70slivekidvid.com/lotl.htm), an alternate universe on an empty (well, humanless) Earth. Or something like that. > > **My nitpick is 16 years ago was 1988… and it wasn’t possible to burn a CD outside of very specific environments, meaning the message was a tape. That ran on a continous 15 second loop for 16 years. Right.** What if the previous group were from an undetermined future and time-travelled back with technology that was common in their time, but out of place in the present? ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/163 "2004-10-03T20:56:41Z")
After seeing the episode fore the third time, those aren’t snow covered mountains out Kate’s window. It’s just clouds. You can see them more clearly when the back of the plane breaks away. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/164 "2004-10-03T21:28:49Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Hehe, you HAVE to live in Tampa. I am in Lakeland and I noticed that they were preempting the Lost repeat for the USF game when I tried to look for it yesterday afternoon on the cable program guide. Across the bay actually. If they had at least warned viewers when they network advertised the re-airing by announcing “We’d much rather appeal to a smaller group of people who like college sports and don’t get ESPN so we’re going to be dicks and not show it so don’t plan on watching it here.” then I wouldn’t have rushed home before 8 in order to get a tape put in the VCR. I don’t have cable and I can’t always get the abc affiliate in Sarasota but had I at least known I could have tried. I thought the game was just running overtime and didn’t realize it was a pre-emption until it was too late. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/165 "2004-10-03T21:47:30Z")
Going waaay back to the dog thing: I thought it was possible the doctor didn’t see the dog at all and was just trying to be nice. If Dad thinks the dog is alive, he doesn’t have to lie to his son about it. I didn’t see the first episode, so I’m kind of catching up here, but I really enjoyed what I saw of episode #2. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2004, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/166 "2004-10-03T22:01:34Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Going waaay back to the dog thing: I thought it was possible the doctor didn’t see the dog at all and was just trying to be nice. If Dad thinks the dog is alive, he doesn’t have to lie to his son about it. > > I didn’t see the first episode, so I’m kind of catching up here, but I really enjoyed what I saw of episode #2. He saw the dog but he was just waking up from being unconscious and it’s possible he completely forgot about it or thought he imagined it until the guy mentioned the dog. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/167 "2004-10-04T03:16:59Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Going waaay back to the dog thing: I thought it was possible the doctor didn’t see the dog at all and was just trying to be nice. He asked if it was a lab, though. Labs are popular, but would you say, “Was it a lab?” if you didn’t see a lab? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/168 "2004-10-04T03:22:17Z")
That’s a fair point. Anyway I missed the first episode and **Wile E** says he really did see the dog. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![barking\_frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@barking\_frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barking_frog)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/169 "2004-10-04T05:40:22Z")
The dog was actually shown several times in the first, and perhaps second, episode. I suspect it may be used as a plot device later on. ---
**Author:** ![Saranga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Saranga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saranga)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/170 "2004-10-04T05:43:34Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > I thought it looked like the JLA/JSA crossover from 2000 (JLA: 2000?). > > I read it, but I don’t know where it is. I have not read it, but when he flips the page you can see Sentinel, Flash (Jay Garrick), and Kyle Rayner, so you are probably right. No Dr. Fate. I don’t recognize the villain either. I wouldn’t read too much into it. The script probably said “Comic book with polar bear”…ok maybe that’s a bit suspicious… TBH, I thought Forbidden Planet when they showed the trees moving, before I came on here to read about the polar bear thing. (I noticed the Sentinel and Flash but not the polar bear ☹ ) I suspect it’s an homage or red herring, but not what’s really happening. After all, they have already made obvious references to Jurassic Park but nobody’s seen a dinosaur. Now we are all seeing Forbidden Planet. Hopefully, the reality will be far more interesting. Or it could be dinosaurs… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![rampow7155](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a4c791/32.png) [@rampow7155](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rampow7155)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/171 "2004-10-04T06:35:26Z")
Just curious if anyone thinks that the Korean and his insistence to his wife to stay close to him and pay no attention to what the mass will do is a foreshadowing of his possible knowledge and or hearing of rumors about the island that he thinks they are on and challenges ahead and denial of rescue. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/172 "2004-10-04T17:43:40Z")
Back to the comic, didn’t the kid say he found it? Was it already on the Island or in the wreckage? Why was it in Spanish? Any significance? They weren’t flying in a spanish speaking region. Sure, it could be as simple as there being a spanish speaking person on the plane, but it seems like an unneccessary bit of dialogue and plotting to make the comic a Spanish language version unless it meant something (or it is just a red herring). ---
**Author:** ![aaelghat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c5a1d2/32.png) [@aaelghat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aaelghat)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2004, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/173 "2004-10-04T19:12:22Z")
I wonder if we’re being set-up that now or in the past there was an international group of scientists on the island (Spanish comic book, French help message). Also, when I watched the 2 hour pilot this last weekend I noticed for the first time that when Kate walked out of the jungle and saw the doctor for the first time she was rubbing her wrists. The odd thing is that implies she had just taken off the handcuffs (strengthened by the fact that they were found later in the jungle) but then we also saw her on the plane fumbling with the key trying to open them up. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2004, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/174 "2004-10-05T19:39:11Z")
> [@aaelghat](#): > > Also, when I watched the 2 hour pilot this last weekend I noticed for the first time that when Kate walked out of the jungle and saw the doctor for the first time she was rubbing her wrists. > > The odd thing is that implies she had just taken off the handcuffs (strengthened by the fact that they were found later in the jungle) but then we also saw her on the plane fumbling with the key trying to open them up. I noticed that on the re-watch, too. I think on the plane she likely only opened one cuff to free her hands so she could grab the oxygen mask. I know if it were me, I probably wouldn’t immediately take the time to unlock the other cuff. The real question (which we’ll never get the answer to) is how the hell she managed to hold on to that tiny little key during the crash. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Juniper200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@Juniper200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juniper200)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2004, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/175 "2004-10-05T21:17:21Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > it seems like an unneccessary bit of dialogue and plotting to make the comic a Spanish language version unless it meant something (or it is just a red herring). I think it was just meant to establish that Walt’s dad doesn’t know him well at all. ---
**Author:** ![kath94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/67e7ee/32.png) [@kath94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kath94)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2004, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/176 "2004-10-05T21:57:50Z")
I thought “the thing in the jungle” sounded mechanical, too. I like the theory that the pilot just happened to get in its way, he wasn’t an intentional target. The wrong part of the world, I know, but what about deforestation of the rain forests? I’m guess that Red Neck Guy, rather than reading a “Dear John” letter, had gotten hold of the flight manifest, indicating a prisoner on board. Either that, or it was some sort of official paper from the Marshal, identifying Kate as his prisoner. That’s what made him decide to go on the hike with the scouting group, _and bring the gun along._ ---
**Author:** ![ElectricZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@ElectricZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElectricZ)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2004, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/177 "2004-10-05T22:55:09Z")
> [@kath94](#): > > I’m guess that Red Neck Guy, rather than reading a “Dear John” letter, had gotten hold of the flight manifest, indicating a prisoner on board. Either that, or it was some sort of official paper from the Marshal, identifying Kate as his prisoner. That’s what made him decide to go on the hike with the scouting group, _and bring the gun along._ IIRC, the letter he was reading was hand written on notebook paper – not likely to be a passenger manifest or court document. The “Dear John” makes more sense. I was also thinking that Redneck was in Australia and got a letter from home that his brother/cousin/best friend had been killed in Iraq. That would certainly give him the urge to follow Sayid around, and to use the gun he found as a way to get some payback. I actually hope it’s not a revenge scenario – that seems a little too obvious. But I guess the show has got me hooked enough that I’m going to tune in again to find out! 🙂 EZ ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2004, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/178 "2004-10-05T22:55:32Z")
> [@kath94](#): > > I thought “the thing in the jungle” sounded mechanical, too. I like the theory that the pilot just happened to get in its way, he wasn’t an intentional target. The wrong part of the world, I know, but what about deforestation of the rain forests? > > I’m guess that Red Neck Guy, rather than reading a “Dear John” letter, had gotten hold of the flight manifest, indicating a prisoner on board. Either that, or it was some sort of official paper from the Marshal, identifying Kate as his prisoner. That’s what made him decide to go on the hike with the scouting group, _and bring the gun along._ I gotta disagree with both those ideas. First off, after all the creepiness and mystery, to have the “monster” be a freaking tree-cutting machine would be rather anticlimactic, AND it wouldn’t make sense—why wouldn’t the driver investigate the big downed plane right in front of him? And second, the letter Redneck Guy was reading was hand-written. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/179 "2004-10-06T01:12:03Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > it seems like an unneccessary bit of dialogue and plotting to make the comic a Spanish language version unless it meant something (or it is just a red herring). What **Juniper200** said. A father who doesn’t know whether his son speaks Spanish clearly hasn’t been very involved in his life, and the comic book is how the story tells us that. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769/180 "2004-10-06T01:39:20Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > What **Juniper200** said. A father who doesn’t know whether his son speaks Spanish clearly hasn’t been very involved in his life, and the comic book is how the story tells us that. The story also told us that when the father was asked how old his son was and he didn’t really know. The kid has been living with his mother in Australia while Dad was in America, so I imagine they’ve been out of touch for some time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-9-29-unboxed-spoilers/266769.md?page=10)