# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 109
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2161 "2009-07-30T18:58:01Z")
\*\*FTR: Was it the wrong play for Story to talk about being blocked? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2162 "2009-07-30T18:59:40Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*FTR: Was it the wrong play for Story to talk about being blocked? \*\* I think so, actually. After he did that, the scum continued to block him every Night, and he never had a successful investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2163 "2009-07-30T19:00:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **I have removed the passwords from the spoiler and scum boards, by the way.** However, you haven’t removed the registration requirement for the board as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2164 "2009-07-30T19:01:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You sure about that? Yes, but you still have to register for the board. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2165 "2009-07-30T19:09:37Z")
The new game is up and signups are available! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2166 "2009-07-30T19:31:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, but you still have to register for the board. OK, I’m pending approval by an administrator. ---
**Author:** ![Polyperchon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/50afbb/32.png) [@Polyperchon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polyperchon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2167 "2009-07-30T20:10:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, I’m pending approval by an administrator. Me too! ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2168 "2009-07-30T20:26:01Z")
Me three. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2169 "2009-07-30T20:47:27Z")
Looks like I can get in now. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2170 "2009-07-30T23:32:09Z")
:wild applause: That was impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2171 "2009-07-31T00:46:05Z")
Post-mortem, here: Was it the correct play for Town to assume that there were four Scum? It turned out to be wrong, of course, but it seems to me that it was the best guess we had: You always have to make some assumptions, or you’ll never do anything. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2172 "2009-07-31T03:08:15Z")
Wow! I sure didn’t expect to find this. What a twist. Congrats to the Scum crew. Well-played, **Telcontar**! **Mahaloth** , thank you for moderating a great game. AOP: What is a Renaissance Man? Was it a power role? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2173 "2009-07-31T03:13:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Post-mortem, here: Was it the correct play for Town to assume that there were four Scum? It turned out to be wrong, of course, but it seems to me that it was the best guess we had: You always have to make some assumptions, or you’ll never do anything. Well, it was a mikstake because the assumptions were treated as fact. Making assumptions is fine as long as they’re not gospel. By making that assumption and basing all subsequent decisions on it without questioning, you guys made it much easier for **Telcontar**. You should read what **storyteller** was saying in the spoiler thread near the end for the kinds of questions you were not asking yourselves due to your certainty of the 4-scum team. No offense, but your program _really_ screwed Town over this game. Not that it was the only problem, of course, but it was a big one, particularly in how the end game played out. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2174 "2009-07-31T03:44:40Z")
> [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > AOP: What is a Renaissance Man? Was it a power role? I’m surprised no one asked before now. He had two abilities to choose between. He could either protect or investigate. Actually, that role is what messed up the balance. I miscalculated what he would/could really do with two powers. My bad. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2175 "2009-07-31T03:55:05Z")
> [@](#): > > No offense, but your program really screwed Town over this game. Not that it was the only problem, of course, but it was a big one, particularly in how the end game played out. With the assumption of four Scum, our fate was sealed after the Smoke Monster, with or without the program. Without the assumption of four Scum, my program was giving correct (though useless) results. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2176 "2009-07-31T03:56:23Z")
Chronos, please go over to the spoiler board and share your thoughts. I have answered your questions. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2177 "2009-07-31T04:26:49Z")
Hey. Been lurking the whole game, pretty much. So I went ahead and tried to join the spoiler board. Just thought I’d give a heads up just in case you’re wondering who I am. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2178 "2009-07-31T04:50:16Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I’m surprised no one asked before now. > > He had two abilities to choose between. He could either protect or investigate. > > Actually, that role is what messed up the balance. I miscalculated what he would/could really do with two powers. > > My bad. 🙂 Yeah. I thought about clever “Oh, false doctor!” sort of claims, but with only three scum it wasn’t remotely safe to try a sacrifice play. as it turned out, i was effectively an investigator and, once shadow was blocked, I had to take over the kills and was thus a vanilla scum. In this game the scum power roles were entirely focused on negating the town powers. I kept thinking how much I would have loved a strongman (bonus kill) or a redirector power. we could have had a blast. Does someone see a way i could have used the powers more effectively? I felt forced to do as I did. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2179 "2009-07-31T04:56:30Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Hey. Been lurking the whole game, pretty much. So I went ahead and tried to join the spoiler board. Just thought I’d give a heads up just in case you’re wondering who I am. BigT, get in on the new Mafia game?? You seemed to really understand me. … Now that I am in, on that game, it would be interesting to have someone who understands me, play the game. and if we turn up being opposite teams. well :smack: in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/2180 "2009-07-31T04:58:41Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Does someone see a way i could have used the powers more effectively? I felt forced to do as I did. Very Seriously, what is better than a win? effectively or not, you won. I don’t think you were that far from total effectiveness, if at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=108) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=110)