# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/241 "2009-06-14T00:29:44Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I won’t wait for the vote count : > \*\* > Pede, I didn’t vote for you. \*\* Yes, I know. Doesn’t make your analysis any less misinterpretative. > [@Meeko](#): > > I am not Pede, there is a certain amount of ““mis-interpretation”” in any comments I will make on Pede.You know what? This is a GIVEN. No one can “mind meld”. There will be room for interpretation. There has to be. That’s what makes this a game. I know that too. But I didn’t say anything that would imply me support a mass claim–and yet you say that I was asking for one. That’s a far cry than not being able to mind read. [quote=MeekoI mean, you really are looking for someone to hang here, aren’t you?[/QUOTE] I’m looking for a scum to hang. > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > It looks to me like a mistaken vote that was quickly rethought, and then opening up a second (let’s face it, non-controversial) front, which seems a reasonable way to deflect. That’s exactly correct. I didn’t notice the small debate between Chronos and Storyteller, so Chronos looked more suspicious, so I voted for him. Then he pointed it out, so I unvoted. Then Meeko blatantly misinterpreted me, so I voted for him. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/242 "2009-06-14T00:31:27Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Apparently, other people can do the exact same thing I am doing, but they cant do it with out FOSsing. I do it, and WAM!. :rolleyes: I’m not voting you for you FOSing me, I’m voting you for blatantly misrepresenting me. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/243 "2009-06-14T01:32:51Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m voting you for blatantly misrepresenting me. This is my point exactly. How can I comeback to this? Anything I could have said, ANYTHING, and you can keep on saying that I misrepresented you. In your position, what else could you say, after the WOW besides “I was misrepresented.” ? Further, If I was dead on with my WOW, would you admit to that? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/244 "2009-06-14T01:35:36Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Anything I could have said, ANYTHING, and you can keep on saying that I misrepresented you. > > In your position, what else could you say, after the WOW besides “I was misrepresented.” ? Yeah, see, but the important thing is not you or me. It’s everyone else. If you are in fact spot on in your analysis, and I say ‘I was misrepresented!’, people will vote me for attempting to spin my words in a way they weren’t meant to be spun. If you were in fact trying to misrepresent me, and I say ‘I was misrepresented!’, people will vote you for attempting to spin my words in a way they weren’t meant to be spun. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/245 "2009-06-14T01:44:21Z")
I don’t know if I should give Pede some Wine, or a rock that prevents tiger attacks. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/246 "2009-06-14T02:04:41Z")
**Meeko** , your analysis of **pede** ’s play came across as highly contrived. Although you had a few good points, some of your conclusions were a huge stretch. Also, pede is saying that if nothing else, you misrepresented his stance regarding mass claiming. The difficulty of a WoW is to draw a conclusion while keeping things objective. At any stage of the game anyone could have a WoW done against them to support Scumminess or Towniness. Anyone, at any stage. Having said that, an OMGUS is fairly unprofessional, especially since pede knows how you played last time. His annoyance is justified, but voting based on it is not. That comes across as a little n00bish - the second time toDay - but I don’t want to punish a player for newbie mistakes when his accuser is making equally newbie mistakes. I think I’ll see how toDay plays out a little more before casting a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/247 "2009-06-14T02:20:23Z")
**what _Exactly_ is a bandwagon?** Are Jimmy and I in one currently? Where would Scum enter on a bandwagon? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/248 "2009-06-14T02:35:28Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > To be clear: > > Playing the game the way it should be played, has so far gotten more negative attention on me, than playing the “Meeko” way. > > Noted. Get off the cross, we could use the wood. This game is not all about you or your playstyle. Your alleged case against **pedescribe** is some of the weakest sauce I’ve ever seen. (He’s too “organized”? Please.) Don’t be surprised that it catches you some flak. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/249 "2009-06-14T02:38:45Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **what _Exactly_ is a bandwagon?** > > Are Jimmy and I in one currently? > > Where would Scum enter on a bandwagon? A bandwagon is a flurry of votes that are directed against one specific person, usually with the individual voters saying nothing more than ‘I agree’ or ‘What he said’. These are a sign of laziness, if nothing else, which is a bad thing. Often it’s a result of scum wanting to seal a Townie lynch while keeping their own hands clean. Sometimes it’s a townie’s case on scum that is so convincing and thoughtful that nothing else need be said (or a claimed detective found a scum). Rarely, it’s a coincidence, with everyone just happening to be on the same wavelength. At least I’m pretty sure that’s correct. Correct me if I’m wrong. Anyway, I’d say that no, you aren’t on a bandwagon. The traditional time for a scum to enter a bandwagon is with the third vote, as that’s the tipping point between ‘a few one-off votes’ and ‘prime for lynching’. However, because that’s become such a classic scum tell, many scum deliberately skirt it, by posting a lot of accusatory points but not voting, or voting fourth. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/250 "2009-06-14T02:46:06Z")
Also, by asking questions like that right out in the open, obviously, you moot the effectiveness of any strategy predicated on the utilization of the answers you receive. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/251 "2009-06-14T02:47:06Z")
(To say nothing about the fact that at this point in the game you have no reason to trust the answers you get from anyone) ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/252 "2009-06-14T03:00:37Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > So, what are people thinking? I’ve seen a few light pings on my radar, but nothing quite worth even a day one vote (For example, I’m torn between being suspicious of **pede** for a silly vote and being grateful that he’s kicked things off). We have a fair bit of dialogue at this point. Well, I’m inclined to disregard the current argument between **ped** and **Meeko** as more noise than signal. Aside from that, there’s a couple people I’m disinclined to think of as scum, but nobody really pinging as Other. Except **storyteller**. Truly, that was an excellent summary, and very helpful. But perchance you took this as an opportunity to simply put on the appearance of helpfulness? A character summary is easily obtainable, both in **Cafe Society’s** numerous _Lost_ threads, and elsewhere online. The only thing keeping me from thinking this was a scum ploy to gain trust is the fact that it seems you used your own words instead of cutting & pasting. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/253 "2009-06-14T03:29:29Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Also, by asking questions like that right out in the open, obviously, you moot the effectiveness of any strategy predicated on the utilization of the answers you receive. Where else can I ask? I’m town. ## **I don’t have a scum board to ask it on.** **Do you?** I wish you guys can spend 10 seconds in my head. It might make you permanently insane, but it would be soooo much easier for me. I can’t validate Jimmy’s quote above as comming from a townie. Can someone talk me down here? Please? _SIGH._ **Unvote Pede** **Vote Jimmy Chitwood** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/254 "2009-06-14T03:56:08Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I can’t validate Jimmy’s quote above as comming from a townie. NETA : What I mean to say, is that I don’t believe Jimmy is town, based on his quote. There is no way I can believe a townie would say that. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/255 "2009-06-14T04:13:46Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > The traditional time for a scum to enter a bandwagon is with the third vote, as that’s the tipping point between ‘a few one-off votes’ and ‘prime for lynching’. However, because that’s become such a classic scum tell, many scum deliberately skirt it, by posting a lot of accusatory points but not voting, or voting fourth. Ya know, it’s awful convenient that the person saying that the third vote is a scum tell has two votes against them. Just saying ;). I read pede v meeko as town on town, though I’m slightly concerned that pede (who should know meeko’s style very well and be well past making noob mistakes himself) cast a vote for meeko. Jimmy, can you elaborate more on why you joined meeko? > [@Meeko](#): > > NETA : > > What I mean to say, is that I don’t believe Jimmy is town, based on his quote. There is no way I can believe a townie would say that. I’m inclined to think Jimmy just misworded it. Unless you’re both scum and he meant “get over to the scum board with that question.” How does it impact your feelings toward pede that you are now suspicious of jimmy, who agreed with you? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/256 "2009-06-14T04:38:59Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I read pede v meeko as town on town, though I’m slightly concerned that pede (who should know meeko’s style very well and be well past making noob mistakes himself) cast a vote for meeko. > > Jimmy, can you elaborate more on why you joined meeko? > > I’m inclined to think Jimmy just misworded it. Unless you’re both scum and he meant “get over to the scum board with that question.” How does it impact your feelings toward pede that you are now suspicious of jimmy, who agreed with you? 1. IIRC, Jimmy cast the vote first. So, in terms of what happened when, I joined Jimmy, in voting for Pede. 2.He either misworded it, or he is indeed scum. Which leads me to point 3. 1. I unvoted Pede and voted Jimmy, Tel. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/257 "2009-06-14T04:40:49Z")
NETA: I misread your question. Jimmy’s slip here is way more telling than Pede. Both “tells” are based on how I read them, and I think that I have stronger read on Jimmy currently. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/258 "2009-06-14T13:25:27Z")
Oh, for fuck’s sake. **Telcontar** : certainly. My reason for voting **pedescribe** has nothing to do with joining and everything to do with going on the best available information. **pedescribe** went after **Chronos** for a silly reason, which was immediately corrected. I thought that was a strange tempest in a teapot, but I didn’t think it was all that suspicious immediately. Then **ped** immediately bit back at **Meeko** , which was the second hypersensitive vote in that short period of time. There’s nothing else going on other than that, so I threw a vote out there. And no, I didn’t misword anything. My point was that asking in the game thread “When would scum join a bandwagon,” you’re asking the scum the question just as well as you’re asking the town. So if you want to know about bandwagons, go look it up somewhere else, don’t ask in the place where the scum are going to read the answer you get! By the way, I’m not going to respond to **Meeko’s** case directly unless another player joins it, as **Telcontar** did here. This is the kind of bullshit that ruined the other game, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![GuyIncognitto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7ba0ec/32.png) [@GuyIncognitto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyIncognitto)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/259 "2009-06-14T14:38:36Z")
Hey everybody. Sorry I’m so late checking in, had lots of other stuff going on. But I see I was subbed out, so I don’t feel so bad. As I was reading to catch up, I thought I had delayed the start of the day. Have fun. I’ll be watching ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/260 "2009-06-14T16:32:04Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Meeko(1) : Pedescribe Pedescribe(1) : Jimmy Chitwood, Jimmy Chitwood(1): Meeko \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=14)