# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/261 "2009-06-14T17:17:54Z")
Quoth **Ichini Sanshigo** : > [@](#): > > Except storyteller. Truly, that was an excellent summary, and very helpful. But perchance you took this as an opportunity to simply put on the appearance of helpfulness? A character summary is easily obtainable, both in Cafe Society’s numerous Lost threads, and elsewhere online. The only thing keeping me from thinking this was a scum ploy to gain trust is the fact that it seems you used your own words instead of cutting & pasting. Beg pardon? You’re suspicious of **storyteller** because he was helpful? Sure, posting a character summary is the sort of thing a Scum might do to appear helpful, but it’s also the sort of thing a Townie would do to actually be helpful. How is this grounds for suspicion? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/262 "2009-06-14T17:25:42Z")
Mahaloth, the vote count looks too much like Rock Paper Scissors for me. Has there ever been a three way tie at the end of the day? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/263 "2009-06-14T17:41:41Z")
Further on **Ichini** : I just noticed that, right after **storyteller** posted his character summary, [Ichini seemed to find it a good thing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11238434&postcount=203). But now, after liking it a page ago, he’s saying that it’s pinging him as a Scum tell? That doesn’t make sense to me. **Vote Ichini Sanshigo** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/264 "2009-06-14T17:58:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Further on **Ichini** : I just noticed that, right after **storyteller** posted his character summary, [Ichini seemed to find it a good thing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11238434&postcount=203). But now, after liking it a page ago, he’s saying that it’s pinging him as a Scum tell? That doesn’t make sense to me. > > Vote Ichini Sanshigo The thing here is this. If Ichini had hated it first, but liked it second, it would be a completely different kettle of fish. Chronos: What do you think about Jimmy stating that I should ask my bandwagon question elsewhere? I mean, I think your logic is sound here. What did you think of mine? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/265 "2009-06-14T18:19:56Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Meeko(1): Pedescribe Pedescribe(1) : Jimmy Chitwood, Jimmy Chitwood(1): Meeko Ichini(1): Chronos\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/266 "2009-06-14T18:28:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Chronos: What do you think about Jimmy stating that I should ask my bandwagon question elsewhere? I read it as a simple statement of fact (that things said in this thread aren’t entirely reliable), not as advice that you should ask elsewhere. But it’s your vote, not mine, so cast it how you see fit: It’s a bad idea to rely entirely on others to tell you whether your reasoning is good, especially at this early point in the game where nobody’s confirmed yet. For all you know, I (or anyone else) might be scum, deliberately trying to lead you astray. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/267 "2009-06-14T18:42:12Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Also, by asking questions like that right out in the open, obviously, you moot the effectiveness of any strategy predicated on the utilization of the answers you receive. This is an interesting statement by **Jimmy**. If not asking it here, where are you suggesting questions be asked? This week is looking rather busy, so as per my [previous post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11241351&postcount=230) **vote meeko** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/268 "2009-06-14T18:45:35Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > The thing here is this. If Ichini had hated it first, but liked it second, it would be a completely different kettle of fish. I’m not following your logic here. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/269 "2009-06-14T18:49:13Z")
\*\*Vote Count Meeko(2) : Pedescribe, BillMC Pedescribe(1) : Jimmy Chitwood, Jimmy Chitwood(1): Meeko Ichini(1): Chronos \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/270 "2009-06-14T18:55:59Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > This is an interesting statement by **Jimmy**. > > If not asking it here, where are you suggesting questions be asked? > > **[]vote meeko[]** WAIT. **WTF?!** Bill, tell me this is a mistake. You meant Jimmy here, right? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/271 "2009-06-14T18:59:29Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > The thing here is this. If Ichini had hated it first, but liked it second, it would be a completely different kettle of fish. > [@pedescribe](#): > > I’m not following your logic here. Ichini is very scummy here. If he had stated at first that he hated it, then that he liked it, it would not draw anywhere near as much suspicion. Given that it is the exact opposite, the logic that Chronos puts forth is very sound. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/272 "2009-06-14T19:00:06Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > This is an interesting statement by **Jimmy**. > > If not asking it here, where are you suggesting questions be asked? > > This week is looking rather busy, so as per my [previous post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11241351&postcount=230) > > **vote meeko** In another player, I’d probably agree with you here. Having seen meeko in the last game, however, I’m inclined to think that this is just meeko being meeko rather than meeko being scum. I’m a fan of “vote early, vote often” so I’m going to get myself started. Pedescribe seemed to be overreacting to meeko (see Jimmy’s earlier post and mine from 12:13 last night). It’s not super suspicious, but it strikes me as more worrisome than the other potential cases. So, for the moment: **vote Pedescribe** Mostly I think that it’s odd that Pedescribe, who moderated my last two games, is being reactive, which I tend to think of as a new player tell. If something scumier happens I’m happy to change my vote. I’m also wondering if the quieter players might want to speak up more. I don’t think we’ve seen much in the way of scum tells and this could mean that the Others are being fairly low volume. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/273 "2009-06-14T19:13:21Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Having seen meeko in the last game, however, I’m inclined to think that this is just meeko being meeko rather than meeko being scum. You guys hate Meeko. I get it. I may not know how to play an advanced game, that’s fine. You guys however, aren’t even playing a basic game. \*\*You aren’t voting to lynch Meeko, you are lynching to vote the townie that Meeko is playing. \*\* I mean, again, OMGUS and FOS all you want, but there is no real reason for any of this. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/274 "2009-06-14T19:14:36Z")
Neta: Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/275 "2009-06-14T19:17:34Z")
NETA Further: I think it is **VERY** poor play to vote me because of the things I have done in a previous game. I might not have formulated my case as best I could. However, I believe that Jimmy and Pede both have additional votes now. I therfore think that I have done NOTHING wrong, and frankly, I helped to get the game started. I fail to see how my game play for LOST is getting me this much attention. Crimson Glyph notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/276 "2009-06-14T19:22:48Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Having seen meeko in the last game, however, I’m inclined to think that this is just meeko being meeko rather than meeko being scum. I hate when I can’t get all my ideas out at once. I hate further typing on this small netbook keyboard. Telcontar: To be clear: **THANK YOU.** I have no problem with you, or this quote. I am quoting it though, to hopefully get people to think about what they are doing. – Compared to where I was at this point in Crimson, I think I am light years ahead, this time around. If I have done something all that scummy, let me know. I think I saw things for what they were. I Think I evaluated better choices once I saw them. Playing the game makes me scum?! ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/277 "2009-06-14T20:27:11Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Further on **Ichini** : I just noticed that, right after **storyteller** posted his character summary, [Ichini seemed to find it a good thing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11238434&postcount=203). But now, after liking it a page ago, he’s saying that it’s pinging him as a Scum tell? That doesn’t make sense to me. > > **Vote Ichini Sanshigo** bleached > [@Meeko](#): > > Ichini is very scummy here. > > If he had stated at first that he hated it, then that he liked it, it would not draw anywhere near as much suspicion. > > Given that it is the exact opposite, the logic that Chronos puts forth is very sound. First of all, I clearly stated my reasons for finding the summary suspicious in my initial post: it’s easily obtained information, and posting it is an easy way to appear helpful. Note that I didn’t actually vote for **storyteller** , on the grounds that ISTM an original character summary was less suspicious than a copypasta summary. Note also that liking the summary and finding its writer questionable are not mutually exclusive. I’m not denying that it’s useful. Is it unreasonable that I would read the post, find it helpful, think about it, and then wonder about the motives of **storyteller**? Honestly, it just seems like you’re reaching for straws with the whole order of the posts thing. Either you find my ideas scummy, or you don’t. Voting me for changing my mind is lame, since I didn’t actually change my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/278 "2009-06-14T21:42:36Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > This is an interesting statement by **Jimmy**. > > If not asking it here, where are you suggesting questions be asked? I’m not suggesting questions be asked elsewhere. If **Meeko** and I had a separate board to talk on, I beg you, assume that I wouldn’t be dumb enough to refer him to it like that over such a trivial point. I was simply pointing out that, by asking the question he asked about when scum join bandwagons, **Meeko** made any future analysis of vote ordering suspect. Because obviously if I’m scum and I read in the game thread that yeah, everyone has agreed that the third vote = a scum bandwagon vote, I’m not voting third. And if I’m scum and we’re having that discussion, I’m going to have an opportunity to contaminate it. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/279 "2009-06-14T21:58:35Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I’m not suggesting questions be asked elsewhere. If **Meeko** and I had a separate board to talk on, I beg you, assume that I wouldn’t be dumb enough to refer him to it like that over such a trivial point. > > I was simply pointing out that, by asking the question he asked about when scum join bandwagons, **Meeko** made any future analysis of vote ordering suspect. Because obviously if I’m scum and I read in the game thread that yeah, everyone has agreed that the third vote = a scum bandwagon vote, I’m not voting third. And if I’m scum and we’re having that discussion, I’m going to have an opportunity to contaminate it. That’s all. On this point: [http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Third\_Vote](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Third_Vote) ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/280 "2009-06-14T21:59:59Z")
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