# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/301 "2009-06-15T05:01:14Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > All of that to say the following:: > > **Unvote Jimmy Chitwood** > > \*\*Re-Vote Pede. \*\* And it’s just as scummy now as it was before. Look at your own reasoning. You have taken misinformation (my position on mass claiming), nonsensical non sequitors (the idea that I’m ‘organized’, because I didn’t pay attention and, later, voted for the person who was voting for me), and wrapped it into loud accusations. Now, you could say that you’ve adopted the reason Jimmy and cardinal are sporting–I screwed up, and I’m too experienced for that. But you didn’t say that. In fact, you didn’t give any reasons beyond what you already had. Reasons which are ridiculous lies. How is that not scummy? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/302 "2009-06-15T05:02:51Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So, what you’re saying, **pede** , is that we shouldn’t lynch you, because you often hurt your own side? Resist the urge to WIFOM. Resist the urge to WIFOM. Resist the urge to WIFOM [That is, WIFOM on Pede here, NOT Chronos.] ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/303 "2009-06-15T05:11:11Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Resist the urge to WIFOM. Resist the urge to WIFOM. Resist the urge to WIFOM > > [That is, WIFOM on Pede here, NOT Chronos.] Alright. You want me to be brutally honest? I can be brutally honest. Most of you, and especially the people who are making inferences based on my experience, have no idea how I actually play. They see me put a lot of effort into modding two games in a row, and think ‘wow, he must be really good’. But one doesn’t have much to do with the other. Moderating is easy. When you moderate, you know who everyone is, and all you have to do is make with the punctuality. But actually playing this game? Actually searching out the scum, or working as hard as you can to blend in? It’s hard. I like this game, I really do, but I am nowhere near as good as Storyteller or Chronos or Shadow Facts or RoOsh. Some people didn’t know that. I corrected that misconception. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/304 "2009-06-15T05:13:40Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Alright. You want me to be brutally honest? I can be brutally honest. > > Most of you, and especially the people who are making inferences based on my experience, have no idea how I actually play. They see me put a lot of effort into modding two games in a row, and think ‘wow, he must be really good’. But one doesn’t have much to do with the other. Moderating is easy. When you moderate, you know who everyone is, and all you have to do is make with the punctuality. But actually playing this game? Actually searching out the scum, or working as hard as you can to blend in? It’s hard. I like this game, I really do, but I am nowhere near as good as Storyteller or Chronos or Shadow Facts or RoOsh. Some people didn’t know that. I corrected that misconception. NETA: Or Zeriel. Seriously, it’s like that guy has done _everything_! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/305 "2009-06-15T05:29:09Z")
In general, there is too much drama in Mafia. Not enough of it pertains to the actual game. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/306 "2009-06-15T05:54:50Z")
I find this odd… post [270](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11242977&postcount=270) > [@Meeko](#): > > WAIT. **WTF?!** > > Bill, tell me this is a mistake. You meant Jimmy here, right? That is what **Meeko** said. This is what Meeko quoted in the same post: > [@BillMC](#): > > This is an interesting statement by Jimmy. > > If not asking it here, where are you suggesting questions be asked? > > vote meeko Which Meeko complains about being completely non-sequitor and therefore “WTF?”. But that is a truncated quote, the fully quote (post [267](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11242954&postcount=267) is: > [@BillMC](#): > > This is an interesting statement by Jimmy. > > If not asking it here, where are you suggesting questions be asked? > > This week is looking rather busy, so as per my previous post > > vote meeko And “previous post” is a link to post [230](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11241351&postcount=230) where **BillMC** makes a long post regarding his suspicions of Meeko. With Meeko’s truncated quote, he left out Bill’s stated reason for voting, then calls him on not having a reason. I don’t see how he could have accidentally overlooked that link, then accidentally not included it in the quote. So we have Meeko misrepresenting people **again**. Suspicious as **pede** is, I just can’t let that fly. **Vote Meeko** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/307 "2009-06-15T06:09:22Z")
All of a sudden, I can’t ask why someone would agree with me, and vote FOR me? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/308 "2009-06-15T06:14:45Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > So we have Meeko misrepresenting people **again**. Mahaloth : **THIS GAME HAS NO BEARING ON CRIMSON, CORRECT?** But, ok Allwalker. Let’s go here. \*\* Who did I ““misrepresent”” the first time? \*\* For the **LAST** time, you edited your claim in Crimson. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/309 "2009-06-15T06:17:10Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > All of a sudden, I can’t ask why someone would agree with me, and vote FOR me? You misquoted **BillMC** to put yourself in better light. You did it to play the matyr. Just like you are doing here. My problem was not with the question - it is perfectly valid to wonder why someone would agree with you then vote for you. But I have to wonder about all this misrepresentation going on. Since Scum hold information and Town don’t, misinformation like this is antiTown. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/310 "2009-06-15T06:20:35Z")
> [@](#): > > But, ok Allwalker. Let’s go here. > > \*\* > Who did I ““misrepresent”” the first time? \*\* **Pedescribe** , in your WoW. You were attributing arguments to him that he did not make. > [@Meeko](#): > > Mahaloth : **THIS GAME HAS NO BEARING ON CRIMSON, CORRECT?** > > \ > > For the **LAST** time, you edited your claim in Crimson. lol, okay. I’m voting based on what I see here, in this thread. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/311 "2009-06-15T06:27:57Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > With Meeko’s truncated quote, he left out Bill’s stated reason for voting, then calls him on not having a reason. Oh this is rich. I call Bill out on not having a reason? 😕 No, I ask him Why he voted for me, Reasons or not. > [@AllWalker](#): > > But I have to wonder about all this misrepresentation going on. **No.** I have to wonder about all of YOUR misrepresentation going on. If only one of us a history of misrepresenting. **OH WAIT.** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/312 "2009-06-15T07:07:30Z")
**Meeko** , if you would like to discuss my perceived shortcomings in a previous game we should do it in private.\* However, your attempts to derail this thread by trying to drag the game into a derailment from a previous game equal the epitome of antiTown play. I, for one, shall not indulge in any more than passing remarks to the Glyph from here on. > [@Meeko](#): > > Oh this is rich. > > I call Bill out on not having a reason? > > No, I ask him Why he voted for me, Reasons or not. He gave reasons. A thread full of them. He included the link to these reasons in his post. You, when quoting him, did not. Now, if you feel I have misrepresented you in a similar manner to you misrepresenting **pede** , **BillMC** and frankly anyone who has ever made a case against you\*\*, then please be specific. If someone else agrees that I have done you a disservice then I shall do my best to address it. \*As private communications between players is forbidden except by approved means, this will have to wait until we are not in the same Mafia game together. \*\*By this I mean when you state people are voting for you because of your play style, or when you say you ae being held against unfair double standards, when clearly this is not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/313 "2009-06-15T07:22:50Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > **Meeko** , if you would like to discuss my perceived shortcomings in a previous game we should do it in private.\* However, your attempts to derail this thread by trying to drag the game into a derailment from a previous game equal the epitome of antiTown play. I, for one, shall not indulge in any more than passing remarks to the Glyph from here on. > > He gave reasons. A thread full of them. He included the link to these reasons in his post. You, when quoting him, did not. Wait wait wait. **You are the one that started this.** You can honestly tell me that you don’t hold a grudge? You honestly can tell me, that you knew your vote would NOT get me to engage you? You are pushing buttons. You know what they are. You pushed them. \*\*THAT is anti town behavior. \*\* Bill is voting for me, after he stated that Jimmy had a slip. He totally ignores a complete package, and picks up a half baked, warmed over chewing out on me. **I think I get to question that reasoning, regardless.** Where do you get off, telling me that I have to play this game YOUR way? Allwalker, are you one that sucker punches first, or a pig that wrestles everyone down to the mud, get’s everyone dirty, and then enjoys it? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/314 "2009-06-15T08:07:28Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > But I have to wonder about all this misrepresentation going on. > > Since Scum hold information and Town don’t, misinformation like this is antiTown. \*\*How many legs does a dog have, if you call it’s tail a leg? 1. Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg. \*\* But then again, you know all about ““magic”” rocks and tigers. Don’t you? Allwalker, can you tell me what a Vulture is? I bet you won’t have to look very far. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/315 "2009-06-15T11:14:37Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I find this odd… post [270](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11242977&postcount=270) > > That is what **Meeko** said. This is what Meeko quoted in the same post: > > Which Meeko complains about being completely non-sequitor and therefore “WTF?”. But that is a truncated quote, the fully quote (post [267](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11242954&postcount=267) is: > > And “previous post” is a link to post [230](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11241351&postcount=230) where **BillMC** makes a long post regarding his suspicions of Meeko. > > With Meeko’s truncated quote, he left out Bill’s stated reason for voting, then calls him on not having a reason. I don’t see how he could have accidentally overlooked that link, then accidentally not included it in the quote. > > So we have Meeko misrepresenting people **again**. Suspicious as **pede** is, I just can’t let that fly. > > Vote Meeko You beat me to it - yes, **Meeko** you miss quoted me. So my vote stands. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/316 "2009-06-15T12:44:37Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > **Can the scum talk during the day?** **No comment.** > [@Meeko](#): > > Mahaloth : **THIS GAME HAS NO BEARING ON CRIMSON, CORRECT?** **Correct. It has nothing to do with any previous game.** \*\*Vote Count: Meeko(3) : Pedescribe, BillMC, AllWalker Pedescribe(4) : Jimmy Chitwood, Telcontar, CardinalFang, Meeko Ichini(1): Chronos\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/317 "2009-06-15T13:49:41Z")
Well. Having taken a look back through the thread, I’ve got to say I still have no solid basis for asserting any player is scummy. On the Meeko-Pedescribe controversy: of the two of them, Meeko’s play so far I’d have to say is much more anti-town (misunderstanding or possibly “misunderstanding” and then misrepresenting two other people’s arguments so far), so: **Vote Meeko** ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/318 "2009-06-15T14:01:52Z")
I was reading along this weekend and I just reread it all. I don’t think that Pede’s slip was much of a slip he missed part of a conversation and then backed off when showed that. On the other hand Meeko did misquote a significant portion of Bill’s post. It seems like a weird bit to edit too, it’s just one line in the middle of a post. Now Meeko’s defense makes sense, well as much as Meeko can, in that he was asking why you would agree with someone and then vote for them but it doesn’t explain why he deleted that line. It’s only Day one so I don’t expect there to be much to go on. I think if nothing else we need to send a clear message that misquoting is bad. If we have to go back a verify every quote it will take forever to make it through people’s arguments. **Vote Meeko** I don’t think there is much behind Jimmy telling Meeko that certain questions should not be asked in the game thread Personally I read it as telling him to find the mafia wiki or any of the other sites about the mechanics of the game. I think that about covers the drama from the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/319 "2009-06-15T14:24:47Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Where do you get off, telling me that I have to play this game YOUR way? > > Allwalker, are you one that sucker punches first, or a pig that wrestles everyone down to the mud, get’s everyone dirty, and then enjoys it? Seriously, dude, you need to step back and take a deep breath. Try to remember that this is a game - we’re trying to have fun. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/320 "2009-06-15T14:28:46Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Seriously, dude, you need to step back and take a deep breath. Try to remember that this is a game - we’re trying to have fun. Well, at this point, it looks like I am done. Congratulations Allwalker. your plan succeeded. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=17)