# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/521 "2009-06-17T16:11:10Z")
On side note I’m leaving for Vegas tomorrow after work and I’m going to be out of contact until Monday morning. So don’t lynch me for not being around. Back to the game, sorry to see you go Ichini better luck next time. Bring on the drinks, I’m thinking shots let’s start with a Red Headed Slut and then we can move on to Sex On The Beach and possibly a Buttery Nipple. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/522 "2009-06-17T16:14:50Z")
Sorry **Ichini**. Especially sorry if **Fiend** turns out to be scum. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/523 "2009-06-17T16:16:02Z")
Indeed, sucks. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > As the crowd of Survivors argued, many switched their opinions and ultimately, the Survivors approached Ichini Sanshigo, who was kicking and screaming, held him/her down and slit their throat right there on the beach, fear and pleading in Ichini’s eyes the whole time. Blood spilled out and Ichini was dead. > \*\* Him/her? If we killed them, can’t we check and find out? (i’ve always thought that SD should list genders so we know which pronouns to use.) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/524 "2009-06-17T16:19:12Z")
So, a few hours before the end of the day, **Imaginary Fiend** was the vote-leader, but in the time since then, [**Jimmy Chitwood**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251739&postcount=472), [**ShadowFacts**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251969&postcount=485), and [**storyteller0910**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251999&postcount=490) all swung their votes, with the result that **Ichini** , now known to be Town, died instead. It might be too obvious, but am I the only one who thinks this looks suspicious for all four of them? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/525 "2009-06-17T16:33:21Z")
No, even I think it looks bad. For my part, though, it was as simple as I said it was. **IF** ’s claim was convincing enough for my “leaderboard” to revert to its original state, which was, none of the main candidates seem like scum, and **pedescribe** seems the scummiest. I didn’t know what was going to happen after that. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/526 "2009-06-17T16:34:02Z")
As long as no one calls me “she” I’m happy. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/527 "2009-06-17T16:36:06Z")
Gruesome! Now there’s blood on my shirt. I’m supposed to haunt you guys looking like this now? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/528 "2009-06-17T16:38:33Z")
**Telcontar** was the one who took your pants off, I swear. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/529 "2009-06-17T16:38:47Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > As long as no one calls me “she” I’m happy. As you wish, ma’am ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/530 "2009-06-17T16:45:23Z")
Damn. So sorry **Ichini**. We’ll make it up to you by showing restraint when performing lewd acts with your body. Damn, I’ve been on the island way too long. Either way, we got some great big juicy datapoints out of it. But analysis comes later - I think i need sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/531 "2009-06-17T17:05:30Z")
Quick review of the voters for **Ichini** : (just posting name, post number, time, and very quick summary of reason - no editorial comment implied) **Chronos** - 263, 12:41 PM Sunday- because of switching his story on storyteller. **Zeriel** - 401, 8:22 AM Tuesday - because of switching his story on storyteller. **AllWalker** - 407, 9:43 AM Tuesday - switching his story, not claiming alignment match. **Oredigger** - 471, 8:47 AM today - not convinced about anyone, thought case vs. Ichini was best. (Jimmy unvotes IF at this point (472) - convinced by IF’s final plea **ShadowFacts** - 485, 10:04 AM today - switching his story. **storyteller** - 490, 10:13 AM today - breaking tie, Ichini’s refusal to claim, generally thinks Ichini is scummier than IF. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/532 "2009-06-17T17:06:49Z")
Bleah, guess I’m not editing the \*\* tags. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/533 "2009-06-17T17:08:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So, a few hours before the end of the day, **Imaginary Fiend** was the vote-leader, but in the time since then, [**Jimmy Chitwood**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251739&postcount=472), [**ShadowFacts**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251969&postcount=485), and [**storyteller0910**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251999&postcount=490) all swung their votes, with the result that **Ichini** , now known to be Town, died instead. It might be too obvious, but am I the only one who thinks this looks suspicious for all four of them? Incidentally, Oredigger also swung his vote in that time period. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/534 "2009-06-17T17:29:33Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > I’m not sure if **Meeko** claimed just for shits and giggles, or if he was priming the pump for others to claim so soon. > [@Imaginary\_Fiend](#): > > Well, to take a page from his playbook, behold: > > **[[[I have Highlighted the Role PM that was provided here, I paste it below for reference and convenience.]]]** > > * * * > > Lost Role PM > You are Nikki Fernandez > > There was a terrible air plane crash. > > You don’t remember a lot about the actual crash, but when you awoke, you were lost on an island. You have recently begun to socialize with the other survivors, but you don’t really know them all that well. You have a very strong feeling that some of the people with you are…evil, and may not have even been on the plane. You have no idea who they are, but you do know that you will not feel safe until they are dead. > > You are a Survivor, this game’s version of Town > > * * * > > I suppose it’s bad form to post that, but I’m sort of beyond caring. At this point I’m just putting this out as an “I told you so” and hopefully as an object lesson that some of us aren’t acting suspicious or scummy on purpose, but because we’re trying to get a handle on the game. > > Major Snip here. Much like everyone who has the flash of life before their eyes, **I felt I had to claim when I did.** We all know, after that, Mahaloth changed up names. I honestly saw my move to claim, then, as a last ditch effort. I have no reason to lie, and because I didn’t lie, I can understand, and **agree** with prevailing idea that **in hindsight** a mass name claim would have been best for town, if even breaking the game in town’s favor. I feel odd, addressing issues brought forth from a player that (sadly) is no longer with us. I do not think it is scummy at all, for a town player to claim, when his life is at stake. In fact, If I could have prevented my lynch, but did not act, that would be perhaps one of the most scummy things a townie could do. I knew I was town, and in frustration with my less than optimal play, I felt driven to claim. You might remember that I had to re-post the claim, because the first time I did it, I was obviously in a huff. I claimed when I felt I had to. It might not have been best for how MAFIA is played, but given the setup for Lost Mafia, and the pace the game has taken, I felt it was best for Town. The entire situation could have been handled better by multiple parties, I include myself here. A step back from the immediate drama, and I remind myself that with the first day behind us, lost a town member. I remind myself further, that this usually the norm. We must go forward. I can not find error with I.F. 's claim. I can’t confirm if it was the pm Mahaloth gave him, (obviously), but I am leaning towards the fact that for right now, I.F. appears to be town. Is this a valid thing to look at, at night? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/535 "2009-06-17T17:36:35Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > As long as no one calls me “she” I’m happy. I get it too, Zeriel. Apparently, I can tell people till I am blue in the face, that **I take my name after the male raccoon from Pocahontas** , and they insist I am a _needy_ Asian girl. I think you catch my meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/536 "2009-06-17T17:39:47Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I can not find error with I.F. 's claim. I can’t confirm if it was the pm Mahaloth gave him, (obviously), but I am leaning towards the fact that for right now, I.F. appears to be town. Name/role claims, and particularly vanilla role claims, cannot be trusted. That was the whole point of Mahaloth’s announcement on Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/537 "2009-06-17T17:49:49Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Name/role claims, and particularly vanilla role claims, cannot be trusted. That was the whole point of Mahaloth’s announcement on Monday. I’m not sure I am following. I think I understand what you are saying here, but, is it a direct objection to what I.F. posted? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/538 "2009-06-17T17:53:51Z")
I can certainly understand why **Imaginary Fiend** posted that, but given that **Mahaloth** gave the scum cover identities, it doesn’t prove anything one way or the other. It’s a completely null tell. **Meeko** ’s claim, coming before the aliases, is obviously much stronger. I can still think of scenarios consistent with him being Scum, but they’re a lot less plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/539 "2009-06-17T18:04:15Z")
Not an objection to what IF posted, just, well, what Chronos said. It means nothing one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/540 "2009-06-17T18:06:14Z")
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