# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/541 "2009-06-17T18:50:46Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I will find your house and break your wife in half. 1.) I’m not married 2.) I don’t live in a house. 3.) If you found my apartment and broke my current roommate in half I’d just use it as an excuse to steal his half of the diningware before moving into my new place :). (Okay, note to self, Zeriel is male. Allegedly at least. We can’t trust anything in mafia, right?) So, Zeriel, you’ve posted as much in defense of your gender identity as you did your votes. What shall we conclude from that? (warning: psychologist). ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/542 "2009-06-17T19:17:02Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > So, Zeriel, you’ve posted as much in defense of your gender identity as you did your votes. What shall we conclude from that? (warning: psychologist). I thought we were done role claiming. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/543 "2009-06-17T19:33:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I can certainly understand why **Imaginary Fiend** posted that, but given that **Mahaloth** gave the scum cover identities, it doesn’t prove anything one way or the other. It’s a completely null tell. > > **Meeko** ’s claim, coming before the aliases, is obviously much stronger. I can still think of scenarios consistent with him being Scum, but they’re a lot less plausible. I have an issue here, with this. Scum obviously know that I am telling the truth here. I am Town. It IS the correct assumption on the part of town to believe I am Town. You need look no further to Chronos’ quote above, and the similar comments from other players. I don’t think any Town member can fault me for claiming when I did. Does my claim make me any more of a target, than anyone else? I mean, I successfully made it past the lynch, but I think it came at a cost. Hopefully, I am over thinking this. Anyone with a bone here? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/544 "2009-06-17T19:36:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So, a few hours before the end of the day, **Imaginary Fiend** was the vote-leader, but in the time since then, [**Jimmy Chitwood**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251739&postcount=472), [**ShadowFacts**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251969&postcount=485), and [**storyteller0910**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11251999&postcount=490) all swung their votes, with the result that **Ichini** , now known to be Town, died instead. It might be too obvious, but am I the only one who thinks this looks suspicious for all four of them? Yep, can’t really argue with you, even though I’m on the list. That’s the way the cookie crumbles. It will look particularly bad if **Fiend** turns up scum at some point. All I can say is, I voted for who I felt looked the scummiest of the viable candidates. I could have stayed on the sidelines with a pointless vote, but I went on the record, stated my case clearly, and I was wrong. Sorry, **Ichini**. I should also point out, however, that it also can’t hurt to look at who started the (now obviously wrong) case against **Ichini** , which turns out to be…you. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/545 "2009-06-17T19:41:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I thought we were done role claiming. IRL. Meeko, if the cop investigated you would s/he get “drunk and disorderly?” Oh, to your other post: You’re looking more innocent than average, which normally makes you more of a target than average. You did the right thing by claiming when you did, but it may be your death tonight. You’ll live if the mafia think they have bigger fish to fry or if they think you’re an likely doctor protect (or if you’re mafia, which is possible up until you’re dead and confirmed). I’m just hoping the mafia don’t kill me; I died night 1 last game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/546 "2009-06-17T20:08:35Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > IRL. > > Meeko, if the cop investigated you would s/he get “drunk and disorderly?” > > Oh, to your other post: > You’re looking more innocent than average, which normally makes you more of a target than average. You did the right thing by claiming when you did, but it may be your death tonight. You’ll live if the mafia think they have bigger fish to fry or if they think you’re an likely doctor protect (or if you’re mafia, which is possible up until you’re dead and confirmed). > > I’m just hoping the mafia don’t kill me; I died night 1 last game. \*\*Telcontar, are you joking here, or fishing? \*\* I can agree with your last line, however, Telcontar. I mean, as a player, I think you have a lot on the ball. But, your trick question cannot be answered. The entire post comes off pinging me. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/547 "2009-06-17T20:18:52Z")
Meeko, nobody is fishing you - there’s nothing to fish for. “Fishing” refers to trying to get someone to disclose information about their role (and particularly to find out if they have a power role), and you’ve already posted your entire role PM. And you’re vanilla Town. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/548 "2009-06-17T20:29:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Does my claim make me any more of a target, than anyone else? I mean, I successfully made it past the lynch, but I think it came at a cost. There are a few different ways that Scum might go, with their night kill. First, they might choose to go for those people whom are considered least suspicious by Town. If they go this route, then you are in fact more likely to be targeted (assuming you actually are Town). Second, they might try to make a guess as to who has a power role. I don’t think you’ve given any indication of having a power role, so you’d be safe here. Third, they might try going after the people they think are doing the best jobs at hunting Scum: This is often more experienced players, or possibly just those who made shrewd guesses or observations so far in the game. In this case, you’re probably safer than average, due to your inexperience. Finally, they might just pick someone at random, in the hopes that Town will get confused trying to analyze their motives. They probably won’t do this, but it’s still a high enough chance that I don’t think analyzing Scum motives for their night-kill is worthwhile for Town. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/549 "2009-06-17T23:02:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Finally, they might just pick someone at random, in the hopes that Town will get confused trying to analyze their motives. They probably won’t do this, but it’s still a high enough chance that I don’t think analyzing Scum motives for their night-kill is worthwhile for Town. yeah, the game of “but what if that’s what they WANTED us to think?” gets old fast. Sometimes there’s a really obvious kill, and sometimes the reason for a kill is really obvious after it happens, but normally the extra body on the deck is less informative than you’d expect. Meeko: My posts haven’t exactly been meaningful since the day ended; i’m relaxing (cf my exchange with Zeriel regarding his genitalia or lack thereof\*). I’ll start being consistently serious again once we’re near dawn. \*This is a bit of a running joke: In our first mafia game together i called him a her at one point because i thought he’d claimed to be female. I was mistaken 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/550 "2009-06-17T23:19:49Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > \*This is a bit of a running joke: In our first mafia game together i called him a her at one point because i thought he’d claimed to be female. I was mistaken 😛 And ever after, my sig has been what one of my best RL friends said when I bitched about it. And I have to think of increasingly violent things to do to you. Incidentally, nothing precludes me waiting until you get a wife, THEN breaking her in half. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/551 "2009-06-17T23:54:08Z")
Wait, _lack thereof?_ Is that how girls work? ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/552 "2009-06-18T01:23:10Z")
Checking in. Not much to add except to note that I was surprised with the drama and last minute vote-switching and so forth. It read like the ending of a suspense thriller. I do not recall anything like that in _The Crimson Glyph_ – lively discussion, to be sure, but nothing like four or five votes/switches in the last couple of hours (the last-minute scum vote-switch FTW excepted, of course). Is this “normal” for Mafia? Also: sorry **Ichini**. We will avenge you. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/553 "2009-06-18T01:43:06Z")
> [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > Checking in. Not much to add except to note that I was surprised with the drama and last minute vote-switching and so forth. It read like the ending of a suspense thriller. I do not recall anything like that in _The Crimson Glyph_ – lively discussion, to be sure, but nothing like four or five votes/switches in the last couple of hours (the last-minute scum vote-switch FTW excepted, of course). Is this “normal” for Mafia? It can happen. Sometimes it is a Scum ploy to derail a vote, othertimes it is Town people being confused and indecisive. Both seem likely, esp. for Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/554 "2009-06-18T01:51:43Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Incidentally, nothing precludes me waiting until you get a wife, THEN breaking her in half. She would be a bit beside herself, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/555 "2009-06-18T03:02:32Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Wait, _lack thereof?_ > > Is that how girls work? In the interest of town unity and the safety of my future wife, I will cease to comment on the topic of Zeriel’s anatomy and the ways it might be similar or different to the standard human options. I would like to add that I would certainly not condone someone adding a link to this discussion to his profile on the mafia wiki as that would undoubtedly result in others teasing him in all subsequent games. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/556 "2009-06-18T03:27:56Z")
Where’s NAF1138 when I need him? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/557 "2009-06-18T15:16:20Z")
What do you want Z? Oh, someone thinks you are a girl again? Sorry, but Flying Cow of Doom has that joke covered. Um…let’s see…well…ok, you can have some gender confusion too. _throws ceremonial Day 1 pie at Z_ Sorry that was late. ---
**Author:** ![Imaginary\_Fiend](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f6c823/32.png) [@Imaginary\_Fiend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imaginary_Fiend)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/558 "2009-06-18T15:48:29Z")
Checking in here. Also feeling like a horse’s ass because my infantile flailing actually got **Ichini** lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/559 "2009-06-18T17:05:04Z")
> [@Imaginary\_Fiend](#): > > Checking in here. > > Also feeling like a horse’s ass because my infantile flailing actually got **Ichini** lynched. I am sure if you ask real nice, the scum will NK you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/560 "2009-06-18T17:09:11Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > What do you want Z? > > Oh, someone thinks you are a girl again? Sorry, but Flying Cow of Doom has that joke covered. Um…let’s see…well…ok, you can have some gender confusion too. > > _throws ceremonial Day 1 pie at Z_ > > Sorry that was late. It’s Naf! Hey Naf! :Waves: Meeko Offer 0: Naf, I really want your rule slip 10, would you take my quarter for it? . :smack: **Sorry, Reflex.** :eek: And just in case we Actually DO play haggle any time soon: Withdraw all Meeko Offers. (You will understand if I do not Color my lines, lest I get in more trouble from Mahaloth here.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=29)