# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/601 "2009-06-19T18:47:58Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > - > > I Snipped parts not related to Role blocking. \* > > \*\* > Is there ever a case for a Role blocker to be pro-town? \*\* > > Wouldn’t Mahaloth give a pm similar to “during the night”, and reveal as much as he could, that your power “fizzled” or some other like verbiage? > > I am saying, I don’t see why pasting a pm saying a role has been blocked is bad for town, at all. \*\*I would go so far as to say, if a Town receives a PM that is indicative of role blocking, I would say it is Anti-town NOT to post it. \*\* > > I am not ruling out a scum role blocker. However, Until I see a pm,\*\* I do have to question why someone would go half way here.\*\* (If you claim you were role-blocked, why not post the PM? If you were blocked, but don’t want to post the pm, why bring it up?) > > And further, I agree, if we have a doctor he should remain silent. **This remains Fishing, even on Day 2** > > For the most part, I agree with Telcontar. I want to play Mafia, not LOST. How long are we going to talk about canon? Don’t we at some point have to start playing Mafia? Meeko is agreeing with me? Now I’m worried :-P. Role blockers are occasionally town-aligned but, like voluntary vigilantees, they really shouldn’t do anything on day 1. There are (probably) more town power roles than mafia power roles so town role blockers would be doing more harm than good if they acted early on. I suppose one could have a compulsory town-aligned role blocker, but that would just be weird. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/602 "2009-06-19T18:59:14Z")
> [@](#): > > I am not ruling out a scum role blocker. However, Until I see a pm, I do have to question why someone would go half way here. (If you claim you were role-blocked, why not post the PM? If you were blocked, but don’t want to post the pm, why bring it up?) He didn’t say that he was blocked; he said that he thought he was targeted by a role-blocker This could mean several different things: 1: He could have used some Night-action and gotten a PM back that said his action didn’t work. 2: He could have gotten a PM that said that he was blocked, regardless of whether he has a power or not. 3: He could have gotten a PM with a fluffy description of something happening to him that he’s interpreting in game terms as being a role-block 4: Or, of course, he could be lying. He might not want to say further which of these is the case, because doing so might indicate whether he actually has a power role or not. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/603 "2009-06-19T19:05:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, so we obviously have two night-killers. I’m guessing that **Tom** was the Scum night-kill: I think he was one of the least-suspect Townies, so it makes sense for the Scum to target him. **Nanook** , though, has me puzzled… He was pretty low on the radar yesterDay. He didn’t really contribute much to make him a threat to an anti-Town killer, but he also didn’t seem to do anything particularly suspicious to attract the attention of a pro-Town killer (and certainly didn’t get any votes). Any hypotheses? I’m guessing the exact opposite. Nanook is a pretty clever player; an experienced team of scum would do well to be wary of him, despite his habit of not posting much. And he did nothing that seemed scummy. But Tom Scud kept pushing the whole ‘pro-mass claim = town’ idea so much that it sort of swung past not suspicious and ended up back at suspicious again–I can see a vigilante thinking he might be a scum who ended up on the right side of the claim debate. > [@Chronos](#): > > On the topic of **Imaginary Fiend** , there was obviously some case against him yesterDay, and the last-minute vote shift casts additional suspicion on him and the vote-shifters. In particular, it casts more suspicion on him than on the switchers, because it doesn’t make sense for Scum to switch if IF is Town, but it might still make sense for Townies to switch if IF is Scum. All of which is saying that I think there’s a reasonable chance that IF is Scum, and that’s a good reason to lynch him. Yeah, I’m still suspicious of him. **Vote Imaginary Fiend** > [@Chronos](#): > > And I agree that we should > > **Replace BillMC** > > and > > **Replace paulwhoisaghost** > > Preferably not with each other. I agree on paul. **Replace paulwhoisaghost** But I’m not so sure about Bill. > [@Telcontar](#): > > Meeko is agreeing with me? Now I’m worried :-P. > > Role blockers are occasionally town-aligned but, like voluntary vigilantees, they really shouldn’t do anything on day 1. There are (probably) more town power roles than mafia power roles so town role blockers would be doing more harm than good if they acted early on. I suppose one could have a compulsory town-aligned role blocker, but that would just be weird. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/604 "2009-06-19T19:06:28Z")
I quoted Telcontar with the intention of saying: Thanks for the idea! I’m definitely stashing that in my potential role file! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/605 "2009-06-19T19:26:49Z")
😕 Pede is already voting, again? :eek: if this isn’t a OMGUS vote, what is it? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/606 "2009-06-19T19:42:37Z")
It’s a vote for the person he currently considers most suspicious. How is it OMGUS? **Imaginary Fiend** didn’t vote for **pede**. > [@](#): > > But Tom Scud kept pushing the whole ‘pro-mass claim = town’ idea so much that it sort of swung past not suspicious and ended up back at suspicious again–I can see a vigilante thinking he might be a scum who ended up on the right side of the claim debate. I can see thinking that before the rules-change, but after the change, it’s crazy to think that a Scum would be pushing for the claim. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/607 "2009-06-19T20:07:21Z")
Really, I think we need to either decide about the role claim or get off the topic and move on with the “finding scum” portion of this game. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/608 "2009-06-19T20:08:23Z")
And of course I meant “name claim”, I just brain farted. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/609 "2009-06-19T20:10:01Z")
\*\*We interrupt this episode of Lost to make an important announcement: ScubaBen is replacing paulwhoisaghost. Ben told me he might not be too active until Sunday, so take that into consideration. USCDiver is replacing BillMC. Welcome, USC and Ben! We now return you to your regular program.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/610 "2009-06-19T20:18:40Z")
Checking in and confirming receipt of my role PM. Oh, hi everybody! I had won a trip for one on a tropical cruise, got shipwrecked, and washed ashore on this island. It was a strange cruise, with half the cabin space taken up by one couple’s luggage filled with US currency (on a boat that didn’t even have a snack bar) and the other half by this scientist’s field chemistry lab equipment. And then there was the B-list actress. Has anybody seen any of them? At any rate, I hope you’ve got enough infrastructure set up here to wait until search & rescue arrives. Oh – what’s all these dead bodies about? OOC: I have never seen _Lost_, I do not know anything about the character named in my role, my introduction is from a completely different TV show. I won’t have a chance to read the thread until Sunday morning. More OOC: Hi **USCDiver** , am I going to grudge-vote for whoever votes for you, again? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/611 "2009-06-19T20:21:46Z")
So, the LOST set-up makes as much sense as Gilligan’s Island? Who packs clothing for a “3 hour tour” anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/612 "2009-06-19T20:23:14Z")
NETA : Thats what I get for Skimming obvious Fluff. :smack: Yeah ok, Scuba, in that case, glad to add on to your joke. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/613 "2009-06-19T20:25:57Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Really, I think we need to either decide about the role claim or get off the topic and move on with the “finding scum” portion of this game. OK. Are you for or against? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/614 "2009-06-19T20:30:05Z")
I see no compelling reasons to do a mass name claim at this time, but I see no harm in such. Basically I think it’s irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/615 "2009-06-19T20:37:36Z")
I think that at this point, a name claim will, at best, provide a false sense of certainty. Let’s wait until it looks like we’re at lynch-or-lose. And is it just coincidence that a diver and a scuba guy are both joining the game at the same time? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/616 "2009-06-19T20:57:02Z")
whoops wrong thread ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/617 "2009-06-19T21:02:36Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > whoops wrong thread **Vote NAF1138** What? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/618 "2009-06-19T21:24:31Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Also, by asking questions like that right out in the open, obviously, you moot the effectiveness of any strategy predicated on the utilization of the answers you receive. **This honestly still pings me.** Jimmy, do you mind clarifying? I am no longer looking at BillMC, because, frankly, **I think he would vote “Meeko” even if my role was Jesus Christ.** -Given that he has been subbed, I await further actions from the new Bill, before I can even begin to consider voting “”“BillMC”“” again. Heh, There’s an Idea, a New Testament Mafia… Oh yeah, I still have to iron out my Tower of Babel Mafia… ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/619 "2009-06-19T21:33:08Z")
NETA: What I mean to say, is that, I think that Bill and I both voted each other, because we hate the puppeteer (Player) and not the Puppet (Role). I further think we can not _see_ each other as anything other than that, hence, on Day 2, I feel it is a waste of time to expend energy here. **THIS** is omgus. Right? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/620 "2009-06-19T22:01:01Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I am no longer looking at BillMC, because, frankly, **I think he would vote “Meeko” even if my role was Jesus Christ.** -Given that he has been subbed, I await further actions from the new Bill, before I can even begin to consider voting “”“BillMC”“” again. Ok, checking in to the thread and confirming my role PM. And to help with continuity: **vote Meeko** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=32)