# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1061 "2009-07-01T13:28:27Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Actually, looks like I am in the vote _lead_, in fact for some of the stupidest reasons imaginable. > > I am so frustrated I’m tempted just to let you people speed-lynch me. > > But instead: > > \*\*MY NAME IS JOHN LOCKE > > I AM A DETECTIVE\*\* > > Please unvote me. > > I have attempted two investigations, one of pedescribe (Night One) and one of Telecontar (Night Two). Both failed. I was not told in either case why they failed. I think someone is role-blocking me and is unlikely to ever stop, so I’m basically worthless as a power role anyway. > > This blows. I KNEW THIS TO BE THE CASE. I’ve Breadcrumbed back to Storyteller. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1062 "2009-07-01T13:29:27Z")
Meeko, have _you_ been role-blocking me? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1063 "2009-07-01T13:29:29Z")
Storyteller, you caught my Breadcrumbs back, right? I had the last one wrong, but, I got Telcontar REAL REAL REAL easily. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1064 "2009-07-01T13:30:32Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Meeko, have _you_ been role-blocking me? Not at all. I have been with you all the way man. I wanted to make sure you knew that I knew you were the Cop. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1065 "2009-07-01T13:32:27Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Not at all. I have been with you all the way man. I wanted to make sure you knew that I knew you were the Cop. I did not know that. How did you know? What were your breadcrumbs? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1066 "2009-07-01T13:32:55Z")
Aw nuts. **Unvote storyteller0910** Back to self-defense: **Vote Chronos** And I have to claim too: **I am CHARLIE PACE** _Hi, Charlie Pace!_ **And I am an Ordinary Survivor.** _Orly?_ I have no way to prove this, as you all can’t tell the difference between me copy-pasting my role PM and copy-pasting the previously posted Ordinary Survivor role PMs. If I’ve followed everything correctly, all three people with votes on them have now claimed, two as vanilla Town and one as a blocked Detective. This sucks, and that blows. I feel a wind-tunnel effect. AOP: **Meeko** , what breadcrumbs have you been leaving, and what role would you have to breadcrumb over? AOP2: How can you confirm storyteller as the Cop? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1067 "2009-07-01T13:36:50Z")
And just how were you aware of this, Meeks? Feel free to not answer if it’ll leave you vulnerable in some way. And also, maybe explain what the hell your comment about Telcontar means as well? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1068 "2009-07-01T13:37:32Z")
At the moment, I want to vote for **Telecontar** , because he’s got me really irritated and I think he’s been wildly misrepresenting me with the continual “storyteller” isn’t contributing anything when I have been as active in the discussion - and not just meta-discussion, I tried to offer analysis of at least some of Day One which was greeted with complete apathy - as anyone in the game. But all things considered, I am going to **vote Imaginary Fiend** We’re up a creek right now, no matter what we do. I am unconvinced by the case against Chronos at this point and think Scuba\_Ben is more likely than not to be Town, based on his role claim. **Imaginary Fiend** has already claimed vanilla, was at the center of a lot of Day One activity, provides an opportunity to test the theory that minor character names are more likely to be Scum cover roles, _and_ has utterly vanished for most of toDay. I think we stand to lose the least, and potentially gain the most, from a lynch of **Fiend**. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1069 "2009-07-01T13:38:51Z")
Follow-up: I reasoned out last night that **Meeko** probably wasn’t plain Town, when I remembered that someone else pointed out he had never copy-pasted his role PM. I am up in the air as to whether he isn’t plain or isn’t Town. I await his answers to everybody’s questions. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1070 "2009-07-01T13:42:28Z")
And because I didn’t preview: I’m far more comfortable voting for IF than for Chronos. There’s a lot of information to be gained by lynching IF, and I got a sense of two people supporting Chronos via bread loafs (far too large to be breadcrumbs) – **Telcontar** in 1050 and **AllWalker** in 1051. I strongly encourage people to analyze _their_ posts and voting history overNight. Acknowledging that I’m playing follow-the-leader here, **Unvote Chronos Vote Imaginary Fiend** ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1071 "2009-07-01T13:45:24Z")
**Story** , care to post your role pm? Not that I don’t believe you, but it would be nice to ask for something harder to fake than a name. **unvote story** vote…hmm, bit of a problem here… Basically I really don’t think **chronos** is mafia. I also don’t particularly think\*\* scuba ben\*\* is mafia. I don’t really have time for another read through. I shouldn’t keep my vote on **story** because a cop claim shouldn’t be assessed in a few hours (especially since I’m about to log out until post voting). Err, who would have blocked **story** on day 1? All I remember is that \*\*jimmy \*\*was arguing with him. Back in a few minutes, at which point i will cast some kind of vote for someone. on preview i see story is still feeling snippy. **Story** : regardless of your alignment, i think your playstyle has been anti town. You constantly wait till the last minute to vote, you tend to not engage with the cases put forth, and you have distracted us with fairly silly metagame arguments. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1072 "2009-07-01T13:50:16Z")
ROLE PM > [@](#): > > You are John Locke > > There was a terrible air plane crash. > > You don’t remember a lot about the actual crash, but when you awoke, you were lost on an island. You have recently begun to socialize with the other survivors, but you don’t really know them all that well. You have a very strong feeling that some of the people with you are…evil, and may not have even been on the plane. You have no idea who they are, but you do know that you will not feel safe until they are dead. > > Additionally, you are very in tune with the Island itself. Because of this, you are able to “communicate” with it and learn information about some of the other people with out. > > Powers: > > 1. You are an island communicator, this games version of an investigator/detective. > 2. Every Night, you may PM the moderator and ask me the role and faction of ONE other player. I will respond back to you with the information. > > You are a Survivor, this game’s version of Town. NIGHT ONE > [@](#): > > You found a quiet place in the forest to communicate with the island. You asked, “Please, tell me what you know about Pedescribe.” > > You waited, but no answer came back. NIGHT TWO > [@](#): > > Again, you found a quiet place in the forest to communicate with the island. You asked, “Please, tell me what you know about Telcontar.” > > Just last time, you waited, but no answer came back. So I’m: (1) being role-blocked; (2) investigating players who cannot be investigated for some reason; (3) have pissed off the island in some way that I don’t know; or (4) have a Useless Townie role. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1073 "2009-07-01T13:57:19Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > On another note, I think - but can’t be sure - that someone tried to role-block me last Night. Just putting it out there. This anagrams, at least for me, to be “” Tlcontar is [Name]“” > [@Meeko](#): > > Claims reveal little, and town needs to eventually organize. This anagrams back to “TELCONTAR” * * * Storyteller, do I have this wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1074 "2009-07-01T13:58:19Z")
Telconatar, is your last name Pace? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1075 "2009-07-01T13:59:44Z")
Also, Story, does ““Unfantastic”” mean anything to you as well ? I took “” Unfantastic Tidbit “” in one of your anagrams to imply that Telecontar is Vanilla. Am I still off base here?? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1076 "2009-07-01T14:00:22Z")
Meeko, that is absolutely brilliant, but no, I didn’t try to code any kind of message there. I… wow. * * * So if Meeko correctly guessed that I was a Detective - albeit for the wrong reasons! - and I’m not dead, that stands as further evidence that Meeko? Probably not Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1077 "2009-07-01T14:02:45Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > And because I didn’t preview: > > I’m far more comfortable voting for IF than for Chronos. There’s a lot of information to be gained by lynching IF, and I got a sense of two people supporting Chronos via bread loafs (far too large to be breadcrumbs) – **Telcontar** in 1050 and **AllWalker** in 1051. I strongly encourage people to analyze _their_ posts and voting history overNight. > > Acknowledging that I’m playing follow-the-leader here, > Unvote Chronos > Vote Imaginary Fiend Allwalker and I played with Chronos in the previous game here. That’s probably part of why we’re having similar reactions to him now. Hmm, i really don’t have a good vote in mind. I had the beginnings of a good case against pedescribe for awhile (overly defensive, serious bandwagon chasing on days 1 and 2, that sort of thing). I don’t have time to update it but, looking back over the vote total, he hasn’t voted today either. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11273039#post11273039](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11273039#post11273039) \*\* Vote pedescribe\*\* Best I’ve got right now. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1078 "2009-07-01T14:04:48Z")
NETA apparently a lot of people haven’t voted yet. WTF? > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Meeko, that is absolutely brilliant, but no, I didn’t try to code any kind of message there. I… wow. > > * * * > > So if Meeko correctly guessed that I was a Detective - albeit for the wrong reasons! - and I’m not dead, that stands as further evidence that Meeko? Probably not Scum. Well, you are being consistently role blocked. that implies the mafia knew who you were from the start, or were highly suspicious of you. Rather weird. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1079 "2009-07-01T14:07:03Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Well, you are being consistently role blocked. that implies the mafia knew who you were from the start, or were highly suspicious of you. Rather weird. Again, I am _probably_ being consistently role-blocked. But I don’t know for sure that the blocker is Scum, of course, if there’s even a blocker. If I am blocked again toNight, we can rest assured that (s)he probably is, but there is ample precedent for Townie role-blockers. However, this is a fair point. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1080 "2009-07-01T14:08:26Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > On to the actual game, for which I find myself considerably refreshed after four days of trying to navigate DC traffic, which was a reminder of what _real_ frustration feels like. 🙂 I knew at this point, that Storyteller was the Cop. I was looking, WAITING, actually, for his breadcrumb before I got in the action around this time. > [@Meeko](#): > > Short of calling me town, and rehashing stuff we already know, I don’t know what you are trying to say here, Storyteller. But, I couldn’t find it. I was Hopefully sending two messages here. “” I don’t know what you are trying to say here, storyteller"" was the ACTUAL message. The other was a wrapper. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Yup. I mean, it’s all well and good to coast from Day to Day shouting at one another, but it is usually instructive, once a bit of information has come out about alignments of various participants, to look more closely at how we got to the places we got. I took ““coast from day to day”” and " how we got to the places we got " to refer back to DC Traffic. I Strongly thought that Cardinal was being mentioned in the bread crumb. I found this anagram a LOT harder. I later ask Storyteller if we should turn our thinking on it’s head. I meant the Players list. I figured that since Telcontar was the first player to be on the offical list from Mahaloth, (way back on page 2) that the next player to be investigated (Allwalker, IIRC) would be next. I could not find a name as easy as “Tlcontar”, I figured some other name must be in there. Cardinal Fang was at the Bottom of the list. I Wanted to make sure that I had it right, before I looked at the anagram again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=55)