# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1081 "2009-07-01T14:11:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Telcontar: > Youre getting Fios? that’s like the phone cable and DSL internet all in one, right? For like 94 bucks? Thats awesome, I bet youre pace in this game will improve. You wont have to listen to that annoying dial-up sound anymore. Thats fantastic for you, man! > > But, whats unfantastic, is youre vote. I think you are wrong on youre vote, but Im not going to waste time here arguing it. I can only hope my reasoning is right here. I’m Meeko Noob and all of that, so YMMV with my comments, but, suffice to say, I have a ““gut feeling”” that youre way off base here. I was really worried about this one. Really. I saw it, and I was like, “I can do this one, but If I do, people will think I am an idiot.” Did anyone catch my errors in grammar here? All for this : I bet youre pace in this game I had / have reason to believe that Telcontar is a Pace. And, if I could vote Scuba again, I would. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1082 "2009-07-01T14:13:51Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Meeko, that is absolutely brilliant, but no, I didn’t try to code any kind of message there. I… wow. You seemed to favor using a LOT of ““dummy”” t s and a few other letters in excess that were doubles. you had a double b set that wasnt used, etc. I figured that you needed extra letters to make your Anagrams work. Same for why you didn’t include E in " Tlcontar " E is the most commonly used letter after all. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1083 "2009-07-01T14:17:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I had / have reason to believe that Telcontar is a Pace. > > And, if I could vote Scuba again, I would. Meeko, let’s focus on this for a minute. If Telecontar is Charlie Pace (the only character with this name in the canon), then Scuba\_Ben is lying and Telecontar knows it. Why wouldn’t Telecontar vote for Scuba\_Ben in such a circumstance? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1084 "2009-07-01T14:19:50Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Meeko, let’s focus on this for a minute. If Telecontar is Charlie Pace (the only character with this name in the canon), then Scuba\_Ben is lying and Telecontar knows it. Why wouldn’t Telecontar vote for Scuba\_Ben in such a circumstance? A Pace. Not C. Pace. but rather “” Simon P. “” your entire "Just putting it out here, - might have been role blocked last night " I anagramed that to Tlcontar is Simon P. [dummy letters] ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1085 "2009-07-01T14:20:50Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > A Pace. Not C. Pace. but rather “” Simon P. “” > > your entire "Just putting it out here, - might have been role blocked last night " > > I anagramed that to > > Tlcontar is Simon P. [dummy letters] No, no, definitely not. I received no results whatsoever on either pedescribe or Telecontar. Neither role nor alignment for either. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1086 "2009-07-01T14:26:06Z")
> [@scuba\_ben](#): > > follow-up: I reasoned out last night that **meeko** probably wasn’t plain town, when i remembered that someone else pointed out he had never copy-pasted his role pm. I am up in the air as to whether he isn’t plain or isn’t town. > > I await his answers to everybody’s questions. \*\* omgus mega fishing if there ever was one.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1087 "2009-07-01T14:30:40Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > No, no, definitely not. I received no results whatsoever on either pedescribe or Telecontar. Neither role nor alignment for either. Again, I was waaaaay off with Pede. I was working on Cardinal Fang with your " DC traffic " comment. This was hard for me, because, well obviously, we now know it simply wasn’t there. Needless to say, this Fire is out for the time being. Storyteller, if you survive, I will be looking at your new posts again, regardless – It’s the type of person I am. But, if you guys need a FOS at this moment. FOS on Scuba Ben. Could I be wrong here? Sure. Do I give a shit? No. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1088 "2009-07-01T14:35:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > That being said: > > \*\* > Who are the flashforward characters? Do we have them in this game? > > Who are the flashback characters? Do we have them in this game? > > Who or what is the Kahana? > \*\* FWIW : I was asking this after I found a “” Simon P “” to match to Simon Pace. On the Lostpedia, Simon Pace (And two other Simons, not with a P surname) was listed. However, he was listed as a Flashback character. Hence this question. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1089 "2009-07-01T14:44:15Z")
Meeko, that may be the most brilliant yet completely out there theory that I’ve ever seen in Mafia ever. I’ll have to remember the anagram thing. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1090 "2009-07-01T14:53:21Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Meeko, that may be the most brilliant yet completely out there theory that I’ve ever seen in Mafia ever. > > I’ll have to remember the anagram thing. \*\* I kinda felt I was giving my style away.\*\* Also, If I can help you guys understand me, that will go a long, LONG way for my reputation in Mafia. Perhaps a Mafia / Peeker Liaison or something. But, it was asked for. And, also, **it was wrong for this game**. [[I Think that I hit on Telcontar on Night 2, and, apparently, Storyteller hit him on Night 3.]] - Hit meaning, you know, caught something with him. But, I ran into this on Crimson as well, again, Crimson was my first game, this is my second. I believe that EVERYONE can breadcrumb in a game. - They WILL have varying reasons to do so. The Cop / Detective / Color Moniker will still have the biggest reasons to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1091 "2009-07-01T14:54:01Z")
May I remind everyone that, according to [storyteller himself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11238059&postcount=200), > [@](#): > > Locke eventually becomes the leader of the group called the “Others” - the mysterious, evident island natives who are our enemies here. Furthermore, if **storyteller** is telling the truth now, it was a pretty big screw-up for him to say that he thought he’d been role-blocked, since it apparently let the Scum know that he was indeed a power role (and thus, a good choice to keep on blocking. Quoth **Telcontar** : > [@](#): > > I shouldn’t keep my vote on story because a cop claim shouldn’t be assessed in a few hours (especially since I’m about to log out until post voting). Unfortunately, there’s not really much to assess. Usually, when a cop claims, they give us a list, and we can then judge the cop’s claim by how likely we think his investigations are to be accurate, and he can provide further evidence the next day by investigating someone else. Here, though, **storyteller** has not, for whatever reason, gotten any results to tell us, and probably won’t get any results toNight, either. All he has is asking us to take his word for it. All that said, I would not be terribly uncomfortable if we lynch **Imaginary Fiend** , either. If nothing else, we’ll get a lot of information from his death, and my analysis still shows him as more likely to be Scum than most. I’ll want to see a vote list before I decide, since this may need to be another defensive vote for me. Speaking of which, in reply to **cardinal\_fang** ’s vote on me: > [@](#): > > Imaginary Fiend, however, is as “scummy” as storyteller in both day-end vote runs (148-148, 103-103), and “scummier” than storyteller in both all-vote runs (160-154, 115-109). I don’t personally trust the runs that include all votes, because it’s too easy for Scum to park a vote on another Scum, and then change it later. I included those results only for completeness, the same way that I include the runs that don’t assume that I’m Town. Which leaves me choosing between folks with the same score, and I thought I could make a stronger case against **storyteller** at this point. > [@](#): > > This sounds familiar to me. The Day 1 name-claim position is a key point in my case against Chronos, which he has downplayed, yet is using in his case against storyteller. This strengthens my previous convictions. It’s not just that he opposed it before the rule-change; it’s that he supported it after. A Town player (such as myself) might have mistakenly opposed it at first, and then seen with the rule-change that it was a bad idea after all, but that it’s too late now, but to champion it after it wouldn’t have worked nearly as well? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1092 "2009-07-01T14:57:57Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Chronos(4): Jimmy Chitwood, USCDiver, Zeriel, CardinalFang, ScubaBen(3): ShadowFacts, Meeko, AllWalker Storyteller(1): Chronos Imaginary Fiend(2): Storyteller, ScubaBen Pedescribe(1): Telcontar\*\* ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1093 "2009-07-01T15:01:19Z")
Meeko=[A Brilliant Mind](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/) ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1094 "2009-07-01T15:06:25Z")
I am presently inclined to believe the various Town claims – which isn’t a very good idea, I know. Here’s my thoughts on various people, just in case I don’t get back here in the next hour. Unless a counter-claim shows up, I think we can trust **storyteller**. I lean towards believing **Meeko** as Town, though abrasive. **ShadowFacts** is playing aggressively. I lean towards him being Town, but I would appreciate other people’s reviews of my assessment of him, as well as their own assessments. **cardinal\_fang** is lurking. I have been advised that this generally indicates Town. But lurking is poor play, it doesn’t do anything to confirm the player’s faction. So I couldn’t conclude anything on him in my assessment. AOP: **Chronos** , would you like to join my defensive vote on IF? **Chronos** had a bad idea, but otherwise seems to be acting pro-Town. I have no read on **AllWalker** , **Jimmy Chitwood** , **pedescribe** , or **Telcontar**. **Imaginary Fiend** had drawn suspicion early, but lurked Today away. I find this change in behavior very suspicious. **USCDiver** hasn’t posted much, at least not that I’ve noticed. I have no read on him. **Zeriel** claimed Town, if I remember correctly. I don’t have much of a read on him either, but that’s mainly because I have been dealing Today with ShadowFacts accepting my invitation to put me in the spotlight. (ooh, bright light!) I think that’s everybody. So for what it’s worth, I count five players I have no read on. I think we should concentrate on them as well as cardinal\_fang, just to get more information about them. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1095 "2009-07-01T15:08:33Z")
Since **Mahaloth** might not be on to do it, here’s my count of the votes right now: \*\*Chronos(4): Jimmy Chitwood, USCDiver, Zeriel, cardinal\_fang ScubaBen(3): ShadowFacts, Meeko, AllWalker Storyteller(1): Chronos Imaginary Fiend(2): storyteller, scubaben pedescribe(1): Telcontar\*\* Since I won’t accomplish anything at this point by keeping my vote on storyteller, I’m going to **unvote storyteller vote Imaginary Fiend** Voting **Scuba\_Ben** would be more likely to save me at this point, but I have essentially no case against him, so I’m just going to hope that something swings my way. Incidentally, by my count, when **storyteller** said that he was in the lead, I was actually at 4 votes, to his 3. On preview, I see that **Mahaloth** was able to post a vote list after all, but he agrees with me. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1096 "2009-07-01T15:11:57Z")
\*\*AOP ? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1097 "2009-07-01T15:13:05Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Meeko=[A Brilliant Mind](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/) I know the movie. But. uhm, uh. Do you mind elaborating? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1098 "2009-07-01T15:13:23Z")
I can’t find **Zeriel** claiming. But I did find **Meeko** claiming, without posting a role PM, ahead of the rule change: [343](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11245668), quoting his original claim in #327. Is anybody keeping a chart of people’s votes and unvotes? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1099 "2009-07-01T15:13:45Z")
So this is sort of interesting. Four votes on Chronos, three on Scuba\_Ben. An agonizingly-slow-to-develop pseudo-wagon on Imaginary Fiend, who was a popular enough target for votes to have nearly been lynched two Days ago. I have to leave very soon, so I can’t look it up, but can anyone say off the top of their head: of the player currently voting for Chronos or _especially_ Scuba\_Ben, how many have been strongly in favor of name-claiming over the course of the last few Days? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1100 "2009-07-01T15:14:15Z")
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