# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1241 "2009-07-05T04:16:09Z")
Well, good work not killing me, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1242 "2009-07-05T04:49:48Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Well, good work not killing me, at least. I didn’t intend for it to be a compliment, if you took it as one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1243 "2009-07-05T05:16:51Z")
Well, that’s unfortunate. I was rather hoping that we’d be able to confirm someone new as the Vigilante. > [@](#): > > I had to shoot on Night 1. I did not want to waste the Lynch survival, just to die at night, and leave the game a dead Vig with no NKs. Unless you mean that the rules of the game required you to shoot on Night 1, no, you didn’t have to, and it would have been better if you hadn’t, especially if you were choosing your target randomly. But it’s done now, and hopefully this was a learning experience. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1244 "2009-07-05T06:01:34Z")
You are telling me, that my Claiming on day one didn’t cause a “If not Meeko then who” question on the scum board? I was thinking that I would not see Dawn. Thinking that, wouldn’t you vig kill also? – What are the chances we have another Vig? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1245 "2009-07-05T06:11:01Z")
> [@](#): > > I was thinking that I would not see Dawn. Thinking that, wouldn’t you vig kill also? No. Why would I? And I have no idea what they were talking about on the scum board, nor what motivated whatever it was. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1246 "2009-07-05T16:00:36Z")
**Chronos** , thanks very much for the claim-list in #1213. Despite what **Meeko** says, I had simply lost track and wanted a head count. **Meeko** , thank you for posting your role claim. I trust you have at least one more bullet; I have no pressing need to know how many shots you have left. In fact, I trust your discretion that the Scum would benefit more from knowing how many kills you have remaining than the Town would. Other than that, all I can say is that I Phail. I can’t find Scum, I can’t find the Vigilante, I can’t find Town, I fail at failing. In follow-up to **Chronos** in 1214 and **Jimmy Chitwood** in 1236, the other useful post on Day 1 was Meeko’s initial partial claim. Were I the Lie Detector, I would have checked **Meeko** ’s claim over **Chronos** ’s partial claim. I don’t see anything in the post-list in 1214 indicating that **AllWalker** directly said anything about Meeko. So we have these Town claims: - Meeko and storyteller have claimed Town power roles. For now, I think we can trust them. - The Town non-power claims are: Chronos and me. (I thought there was another, but it’s not in the list in 1214.) These are weak claims and not inherently trustable (or untrustable). And I recognize this doesn’t help me defend my position from Meeko. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1247 "2009-07-05T16:12:56Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > **Meeko** , thank you for posting your role claim. I trust you have at least one more bullet; I have no pressing need to know how many shots you have left. > > SNIP > > And I recognize this doesn’t help me defend my position from Meeko. Unvote Scuba Vote Pede Now, I could dick around here, and say something like “Sleep with one eye open tonight, Scuba.” And then I could dick around, and say that “Perhaps I’m not dicking around here.” ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1248 "2009-07-05T16:15:07Z")
NETA : Don’t they often say, when given a multiple choice test, trust your first instinct, and only change when you **K N O W** you have made a wrong guess? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1249 "2009-07-05T16:15:59Z")
Or you could take two freaking seconds to justify a vote or an unvote for once. Crazy, I know. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1250 "2009-07-05T16:19:10Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Or you could take two freaking seconds to justify a vote or an unvote for once. > > Crazy, I know. I’m a Native Haggle Player. Not a Native Mafia Player. Play Haggle just once, and you will understand. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1251 "2009-07-05T16:20:22Z")
I already understand. I just think you should, you know, play differently. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1252 "2009-07-05T16:28:43Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I already understand. I just think you should, you know, play differently. My game can improve. Sure. But, the, increased pace and tempo of Haggle won’t leave me. It came first, I will never fully get rid of it. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1253 "2009-07-05T16:31:50Z")
It really doesn’t matter to anyone whether the increased pace and tempo of haggle leaves you. Have a reason, is what I’m saying. If you’re voting for somebody, vote for a reason. If you change your mind, change your mind for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1254 "2009-07-05T17:46:32Z")
**Meeko** , I do have a question about your power. Assuming you have enough bullets, can you shoot more than one person per night? If so, then you could, at some point, just shoot everyone that you don’t consider confirmed (provided you have enough bullets). In this case, Town would effectively win as soon as the number of unconfirmed folks is less than or equal to your number of bullets. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1255 "2009-07-05T18:07:20Z")
Unvote Pede Vote Chronos The question strikes me as incredibly anti-town. But further: Chronos agrees that I should vote for someone I havent voted for yet. AND, his own program for a considerable amount of time FOSsed him. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1256 "2009-07-05T18:30:14Z")
Chronos does have a point, though. When Meeko has as many bullets left as people he doesn’t consider absolutely Town, he can go shooting the rest. I defer to Meeko’s judgment on when to start shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1257 "2009-07-05T18:34:19Z")
Unfortuneately, I’m not a Day-Vig. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1258 "2009-07-05T19:11:26Z")
A plan that, if it works, would guarantee a Town victory is anti-Town? And I already guessed that you couldn’t kill during the Day (Day-killing is rare, and besides the one kill you did make was at Night), but it’s not like you’re likely to be lynched toDay, so you could still do your killing after Nightfall. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1259 "2009-07-05T23:45:06Z")
Alright here’s where we’re at now. Alive: Telcontar Chronos - Claimed Vanilla - Possibly confirmed by Allwalker Meeko - Claimed Vig USCDiver Pedescribe Scuba\_ben - Claimed Vanilla Zeriel ShadowFacts Jimmy Chitwood Storyteller - Claimed Detective - Possibly confirmed by Allwalker Cardinal\_fang Dead: Ichini(Vanilla) Tom Scud(Vanilla) Nanook(Vanilla) Oredigger(Vanilla) Imaginary Fiend(Vanilla) AllWalker (Lie Detector) I know I’m town so that leaves an unconfirmed, unclaimed pool of: Telcontar Pedescribe Zeriel ShadowFacts Jimmy Chitwood Cardinal\_fang If we have 4-5 scum hiding in this group, then any Masons out there should consider claiming right now. Having 2 more confirmed town would tip this puppy in our favor. For now, I’m most suspicious of: **vote Pedescribe** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1260 "2009-07-06T00:11:40Z")
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