# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1501 "2009-07-08T19:21:04Z")
Here is my question: **Scum had to have voted for Shadowfacts. Correct?** ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1502 "2009-07-08T19:23:20Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I’ll be very clear - what I am not OK with is everyone just sitting around and then finding out tomorrow that **Meeko** did something insane, killed everyone who has disagreed with him, and blasted away at a bunch of townies. There, I said it. Is there any particular reason you’ve suddenly decided to start sowing distrust of our vigilante and his choices? \*\*Meeko’s \*\*a spaz, but he doesn’t strike me as stupid or crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1503 "2009-07-08T19:24:36Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Vote Count: > > ShadowFacts(8): Storyteller, ScubaBen, Chronos, Zeriel, USCDiver, Meeko, Jimmy Chitwood, CardinalFang, > > Storyteller(1): ShadowFacts\*\* Jimmy unvoted Shadow in 1443, voted Pede in 1451, and revoted Shadow later that page. Telcontar voted for Shadow somewhere around 1440. Therefore, all 10 Living players voted for Shadow. Ergo, Scum cast their final votes for Shadow. QED, Amen, Selah. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1504 "2009-07-08T19:27:09Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Is there any particular reason you’ve suddenly decided to start sowing distrust of our vigilante and his choices? \*\*Meeko’s \*\*a spaz, but he doesn’t strike me as stupid or crazy. I believe you quoted my reason. I believe it was perfectly clear. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1505 "2009-07-08T19:29:04Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Is there any particular reason you’ve suddenly decided to start sowing distrust of our vigilante and his choices? \*\*Meeko’s \*\*a spaz, but he doesn’t strike me as stupid or crazy. Thank you ?! ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1506 "2009-07-08T19:29:51Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Jimmy unvoted Shadow in 1443, voted Pede in 1451, and revoted Shadow later that page. > > Telcontar voted for Shadow somewhere around 1440. > > Therefore, all 10 Living players voted for Shadow. Ergo, Scum cast their final votes for Shadow. QED, Amen, Selah. Scum cast their final votes for shadow Shadow cast his final vote for story therefore shadow wasn’t scum QED 😃 More seriously: Yes, the scum cast their final votes for shadow. The real question is when. The scum had competing impulses to save shadow and to not be seen to save shadow. Not sure if that means the first or the last to vote for shadow are most suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1507 "2009-07-08T19:30:55Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > **AllWalker** did absolutely nothing with his power, then? I have no idea. I have no idea what he did. The problem with looking for breadcrumbs is that if you’re wrong, you’re fucked. If **AllWalker** knew for sure that I and Chronos were Town, he could have come out and said, “hey, guys, Chronos and story are Town.” He didn’t. He was still playing the game, and couldn’t be expected to consider his power in every post he made. Hell, I claimed Day Three. Suppose I hadn’t and had died Night Three. You’d have all combed through my post looking for breadcrumbs and sooner or later, someone would have looked real close at some post I made where I said so-and-so seemed Scummy to me (or whatever) and decided it was my breadcrumb. But I never got any results at all. I’m not saying to ignore Allwalker’s post - not at all. I _am_ saying that it cannot be considered confirmation of _anything_. It’s a data point, same as all the other data points, and I don’t agree that we should let a piece of information that might be meaningless dominate the rest of our approach to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1508 "2009-07-08T19:30:59Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Therefore, all 10 Living players voted for Shadow. Ergo, Scum cast their final votes for Shadow. QED, Amen, Selah. That will make for interesting scum board reading, after scum lose the game. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1509 "2009-07-08T19:31:42Z")
So what we need is an ordered list of posts containing each vote and unvote. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1510 "2009-07-08T19:31:48Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Thank you ?! I’m sure he meant it kindly. Personally I’m as comfortable with you having that power as i would be with anyone else; it’s not like any of us have a great record this game and your guesses going forward are probably at least as good as anyone else’s. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1511 "2009-07-08T19:37:50Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I’m not saying to ignore Allwalker’s post - not at all. I _am_ saying that it cannot be considered confirmation of _anything_. It’s a data point, same as all the other data points, and I don’t agree that we should let a piece of information that might be meaningless dominate the rest of our approach to the game. Gotcha. I think saying we shouldn’t presume, shouldn’t consider **Chronos** as even probably town is a bit of a stretch, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1512 "2009-07-08T19:42:28Z")
I am of the school of thought, that as “” Vote Switching “” is a tactic that Scum use often right before they win a game, a similar situation was seen here. In Crimson, the three scum changed up their votes to lynch me at the end of the day, in quick succession. WIFOM : I believe that scum “Did the Math” and all decided to vote off Shadow. I am willing to bet further, this came late in the day [That is, In Game] and they got over here, late to the party. \*\* So, I think scum changed votes at the end here. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1513 "2009-07-08T19:45:04Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Seriously, Meeko, you need to play in every game forever. > [@Meeko](#): > > What? Why do you say that? Still waiting for an answer here, Story. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1514 "2009-07-08T19:47:29Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Still waiting for an answer here, Story. Uh… because you make the game more fun? Were you expecting a more complicated answer? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1515 "2009-07-08T19:49:58Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Uh… because you make the game more fun? > > Were you expecting a more complicated answer? Not at all, I just, wasn’t sure what you meant here. 1. Thanks OR 1. I take that to mean that you moved me one or two steps closer to peekerocity. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1516 "2009-07-08T19:52:04Z")
I counted my vote list, and realized I’m one player short: **pedescribe** voted for Shadow in 1426, then unvoted for him in 1427. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1517 "2009-07-08T20:18:00Z")
> [@](#): > > So what we need is an ordered list of posts containing each vote and unvote. I could just copy-paste this from the notes I’ve been taking, but not until fairly late this evening, as they’re on my home computer and I’ll be working somewhat late today. If nobody else has done it by then, I will. And **storyteller** , no offense, but **AllWalker** ’s presumed breadcrumb is the only real evidence for your innocence, too. The name you claimed is an ambiguous one, and of course your unsuccessful investigations unfortunately don’t prove anything. We can conclude that you have some active power-role, from the fact that you knew you were blocked, but that could just as easily be a Scum power role as a Town one. I do think that the presumed breadcrumb is a good enough reason to trust you, but if we throw that out, then all bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1518 "2009-07-08T21:16:40Z")
Well, it was nice to wake up to success for a change! I’m going to the beach for the weekend starting tomorrow morning. So I’ll be gone for most of the Night and the weekend, but nothing much seems to happen during those times anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1519 "2009-07-08T21:20:57Z")
Huh. So I didn’t screw everyone over. Well, that’s a plus. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1520 "2009-07-09T02:15:06Z")
OK, vote history from the previous Day: [Meeko votes Scuba](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304388&postcount=1190) [Scuba\_Ben claims Charlie Pace, vanilla; votes pede, not yet vote leader, disappeared yesterday; fingers cardinal\_fang for lack of posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304535&postcount=1202) [Chronos fingers ShadowFacts for distrust of storyteller](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11306620&postcount=1226) [Chronos votes ShadowFacts for befuddling Town](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11307349&postcount=1235) [Telcontar suspects pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11307794&postcount=1239) [Meeko unvotes Scuba, votes pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11308618&postcount=1247) [Meeko unvotes pede, votes Chronos for anti-Town question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11308875&postcount=1255) [USCDiver votes pede, most suspicious of him, not confirmed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11309559&postcount=1259) [Meeko unvotes Chronos, votes pede, misunderstood question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11309674&postcount=1262) [Telcontar votes pede, see previous posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11309872&postcount=1267) [Telcontar votes for mod kill of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11312205&postcount=1285) [Chronos votes for mod kill of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11312364&postcount=1288) [Jimmy Chitwood votes for mod kill of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11312955&postcount=1291) [Chronos votes pede for inconsistency with storyteller](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11313793&postcount=1310) [Scuba\_Ben unvotes pede, tentatively trusts claim, votes Jimmy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314177&postcount=1312) [storyteller votes ShadowFacts on possibility that pede’s block stopped Night-kill](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314215&postcount=1313) [Scuba\_Ben unvotes Jimmy, votes ShadowFacts based on storyteller’s case](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314379&postcount=1318) [ShadowFacts claims to have been protected, not blocked, Night 2, votes pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314409&postcount=1319) [Scuba\_Ben unvotes ShadowFacts, on possibility that there’s a doctor after all](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314483&postcount=1322) [Chronos unvotes pede, (re)-votes Shadow, hadn’t considered possibility of Town and Scum blockers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314561&postcount=1331) [ShadowFacts votes storyteller, on improbability of having two Detectives](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314691&postcount=1339) [Zeriel votes ShadowFacts, can’t be proven Town, only proven Scum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314877&postcount=1350) [Jimmy Chitwood says a mass-claim might put him in jeopardy, but still supports idea](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314938&postcount=1353) [Meeko unvotes pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315204&postcount=1373) [USCDiver unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts for ignoring AllWalker’s breadcrumb](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315845&postcount=1387) [Meeko votes Shadow](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315864&postcount=1389) [Jimmy Chitwood votes ShadowFacts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317315&postcount=1408) [Scuba\_Ben votes ShadowFacts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317320&postcount=1410) [cardinal\_fang votes ShadowFacts based on questioning breadcrumbs, presumed role-block, weak defense](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317656&postcount=1424) [pedescribe votes ShadowFacts based on lack of death when blocked](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317840&postcount=1426) [pedescribe unvotes ShadowFacts based on claim to have been protected, posts full role PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317856&postcount=1427) [Telcontar unvotes pede based on role PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318444&postcount=1431) [Telcontar votes ShadowFacts based on response to story/pede and arguments against Chronos](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318679&postcount=1439) [Jimmy unvotes ShadowFacts based on protection message](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318750&postcount=1443) [Jimmy Chitwood votes pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318858&postcount=1451) [Jimmy Chitwood unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts, based on Chronos’ defense of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318921&postcount=1462) [ShadowFacts makes farewell post, confession](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318977&postcount=1470) [End of Day 4; ShadowFacts (Ethan Rom, Other) dead](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318993&postcount=1474) The same, but with other notable events included as well (mostly claims): [Meeko votes Scuba](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304388&postcount=1190) [Jimmy Chitwood thinks AllWalker might have breadcrumbed Chronos and storyteller as Town](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304398&postcount=1193) [storyteller claims no investigation result on ShadowFacts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304499&postcount=1201) [Scuba\_Ben claims Charlie Pace, vanilla; votes pede, not yet vote leader, disappeared yesterday; fingers cardinal\_fang for lack of posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304535&postcount=1202) [storyteller continues recap of Day 1, suspects pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304671&postcount=1205) [Scuba is confident that Meeko is not a killer](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11304764&postcount=1207) [Chronos scans AllWalker’s posts for breadcrumbs](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11305775&postcount=1214) [Chronos fingers ShadowFacts for distrust of storyteller](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11306620&postcount=1226) [Chronos contemplates game balance, number of Scum, suggests full claim of names and roles](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11306940&postcount=1228) [Chronos modifies code again](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11306959&postcount=1229) [Jimmy Chitwood supports claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11307010&postcount=1231) [Chronos votes ShadowFacts for befuddling Town](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11307349&postcount=1235) [Jimmy Chitwood finds statements by Chronos and storyteller that AllWalker might have investigated](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11307521&postcount=1236) [Telcontar suspects pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11307794&postcount=1239) [Meeko claims Vig](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11307865&postcount=1240) [Meeko unvotes Scuba, votes pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11308618&postcount=1247) [Chronos asks Meeko about how many he can kill per Night](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11308831&postcount=1254) [Meeko unvotes pede, votes Chronos for anti-Town question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11308875&postcount=1255) [USCDiver votes pede, most suspicious of him, not confirmed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11309559&postcount=1259) [Meeko unvotes Chronos, votes pede, misunderstood question](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11309674&postcount=1262) [Telcontar votes pede, see previous posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11309872&postcount=1267) [Telcontar votes for mod kill of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11312205&postcount=1285) [Chronos votes for mod kill of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11312364&postcount=1288) [Jimmy Chitwood votes for mod kill of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11312955&postcount=1291) [pedescribe shows up](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11313746&postcount=1308) [pedescribe claims Jack (roleblocker), claims to have hit storyteller Night 1, Shadow Night 2, nobody Night 3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11313752&postcount=1309) [Chronos votes pede for inconsistency with storyteller](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11313793&postcount=1310) [pede edits](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11313797&postcount=1311) [Scuba\_Ben unvotes pede, tentatively trusts claim, votes Jimmy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314177&postcount=1312) [storyteller votes ShadowFacts on possibility that pede’s block stopped Night-kill](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314215&postcount=1313) [Scuba\_Ben unvotes Jimmy, votes ShadowFacts based on storyteller’s case](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314379&postcount=1318) [ShadowFacts claims to have been protected, not blocked, Night 2, votes pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314409&postcount=1319) [Scuba\_Ben unvotes ShadowFacts, on possibility that there’s a doctor after all](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314483&postcount=1322) [Scuba\_Ben suggests that maybe pede combines protection with blocking](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314500&postcount=1325) [storyteller considers pede might be paranoid Doc, claims that he got protection message Night 1 (but not 2 or 3)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314535&postcount=1329) [Chronos unvotes pede, (re)-votes Shadow, hadn’t considered possibility of Town and Scum blockers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314561&postcount=1331) [Chronos suggests that Night 2 no-kill might be from paranoid doc protecting Shadow](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314622&postcount=1335) [ShadowFacts votes storyteller, on improbability of having two Detectives](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314691&postcount=1339) [Zeriel votes ShadowFacts, can’t be proven Town, only proven Scum](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314877&postcount=1350) [storyteller re-suggests mass-claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314912&postcount=1352) [Jimmy Chitwood says a mass-claim might put him in jeopardy, but still supports idea](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11314938&postcount=1353) [Telcontar claims Ana Lucia Cortez](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315008&postcount=1356) [Meeko unvotes pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315204&postcount=1373) [Jimmy claims Rose Nadler](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315256&postcount=1378) [Zeriel claims Mr. Eko, vanilla](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315519&postcount=1382) [USCDiver unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts for ignoring AllWalker’s breadcrumb](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315845&postcount=1387) [Meeko votes Shadow](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315864&postcount=1389) [Jimmy claims vanilla](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11315892&postcount=1390) [ShadowFacts claims Boone, vanilla](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11316034&postcount=1392) [USCDiver claims Daniel Faraday, vanilla, posts later-season role PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11316749&postcount=1401) [cardinal\_fang claims Claire Littleton, vanilla](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317109&postcount=1406) [Jimmy Chitwood votes ShadowFacts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317315&postcount=1408) [Scuba\_Ben votes ShadowFacts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317320&postcount=1410) [cardinal\_fang votes ShadowFacts based on questioning breadcrumbs, presumed role-block, weak defense](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317656&postcount=1424) [pedescribe votes ShadowFacts based on lack of death when blocked](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317840&postcount=1426) [pedescribe unvotes ShadowFacts based on claim to have been protected, posts full role PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11317856&postcount=1427) [Telcontar unvotes pede based on role PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318444&postcount=1431) [Jimmy Chitwood finds pede, Shadow, storyteller, and Telcontar all suspicious](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318614&postcount=1435) [Telcontar votes ShadowFacts based on response to story/pede and arguments against Chronos](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318679&postcount=1439) [Jimmy unvotes ShadowFacts based on protection message](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318750&postcount=1443) [storyteller starts summary of Day 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318808&postcount=1446) [storyteller finishes Day 2 summary](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318838&postcount=1448) [Jimmy Chitwood votes pedescribe](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318858&postcount=1451) [Jimmy Chitwood unvotes pede, votes ShadowFacts, based on Chronos’ defense of pede](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318921&postcount=1462) [ShadowFacts makes farewell post, confession](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318977&postcount=1470) [End of Day 4; ShadowFacts (Ethan Rom, Other) dead](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11318993&postcount=1474) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=77)