# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1621 "2009-07-10T21:04:47Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I’m not sure how best to put this, but this is at best a mischaracterization of my play style. I wasn’t talking to you; if I were you would know it. I was referring to this post: > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’d also like to point out that **USCDiver** and **cardinal\_fang** each have fewer posts than **AllWalker** , despite having an entire Day phase to catch up. This late in the game, lurking is anti-Town and anti-fun. > [@Meeko](#): > > This is like, the first real take home, direct, advice I have ever gotten on Mafia play. Here’s another one for you. Don’t assume every post has something to do with you. One of these days you aren’t going to be a pro-town power role and you’re going to be lynched early on for your consistently anti-town play. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > cardinal\_fang and USCDiver, please post more. Much more. Please quit telling me how to play. Posting a bunch of randomness isn’t fun for me and it’s confusing to the Town (no I’m not referring to you, **Meeko** , I’m speaking in general); when I have something to say I’ll say it. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1622 "2009-07-10T21:35:29Z")
Is there an acronym from taking real world information, into game world? Is Town better off than Town thinks, if timing has to be addressed? Certainly, we aren’t at Ly Lo today then… ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1623 "2009-07-10T21:36:30Z")
NETA: That is, of course, Due to the fact, that Mahaloth needs to speed the game up. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1624 "2009-07-10T22:28:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Is there an acronym from taking real world information, into game world? That’s usually referred to as metagaming. And I don’t think that your inference follows: Even if we’re at LyLo (five Town to four Scum), we could still have three more full Nights, if we hit Scum every time. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1625 "2009-07-10T22:30:35Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That’s usually referred to as metagaming. And I don’t think that your inference follows: Even if we’re at LyLo (five Town to four Scum), we could still have three more full Nights, if we hit Scum every time. Well, Yeah, I thought Metagaming was … more than a WAG. Chronos, have I told you that I just can’t read you this game? Have I said that yet? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1626 "2009-07-10T22:52:39Z")
Yes. You have. In a text-based medium. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1627 "2009-07-11T12:51:23Z")
I am off to my D&D group again. Catch you all later tonight [7/11]. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1628 "2009-07-11T15:05:57Z")
My scorecard: I consider **Meeko** and **Chronos** confirmed. The block-protect of Chronos didn’t disrupt the night kill. Until I know how the block mechanics work – which will be after the game ends, I’m sure – I’ll have to assume blocking any Scum would / might disrupt the kill. And at this point, there’s no reason to doubt Meeko’s claim of only one bullet. Meeko, I applaud you on your gambit. It was very well played. I consider **storyteller** 90% confirmed Town. Assuming he’s been telling the truth, he’s effectively plain Town. There is the possibility that he’s been lying to us, but I strongly discount this based on my best WAG about the block mechanics: **pedescribe** block-protected storyteller on Night 1, and the Scum got their kill off all the same. So by the same logic as my considering Chronos confirmed, I updated my rating on story. Everybody else – no clue. I am willing to consider lynch-or-modkill the lurkers. Schedule-wise, I don’t know how much I’ll be on this weekend, and not at all on Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1629 "2009-07-12T03:46:08Z")
Checking back in. Wow. I sure missed a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1630 "2009-07-12T15:58:15Z")
I’m just running this up the flagpole. Because I Frankly don’t have anything else right now. Do we want to still entertain looking at people who first day voted me? Or, have we milked that dry yet? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1631 "2009-07-12T16:02:24Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I’m just running this up the flagpole. Because I Frankly don’t have anything else right now. > > Do we want to still entertain looking at people who first day voted me? Or, have we milked that dry yet? Remind me who is left from that group? Might be helpful to cross reference that and the last Day to see if anything pops out. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1632 "2009-07-12T17:04:30Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Remind me who is left from that group? Might be helpful to cross reference that and the last Day to see if anything pops out. I can’t keep straight who subbed for BillMC. But, wow, that’s it, if that’s it Then again, both the Diver and the Scubaer (One that scubas, right?) are still in, right? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1633 "2009-07-12T17:13:48Z")
Meeko(5) : Pedescribe, BillMC, AllWalker, Tom Scud, Oredigger, I have it down that USCDiver subbed for BillMC and, you’re right, he’s the only one left. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > However, quick observation: > > Five people are voting for Meeko right now. Regardless of Meeko’s alignment, I consider it cold-stone certain that one of the five is Scum. if he’s Town - and on the basis of his claim I think he very probably is - Meeko is a wonderful trap for Scum, because he draws a lot of attention and probably appears to be an “easy lynch” for the opportunistic. It is nearly certain that at least one, and possibly more than one, of the Others failed to resist being opportunistic in this way. > > This is essentially a useless statement right now (pick any five players at random and one of them is probably Scum), but as the game goes by and alignments are revealed by death or by other means, it may becoem considerably more useful. Yesterday Diver sniped with Meeko a bit about just how “confirmed” Meeko was but otherwise kept fairly quiet. Looking over his posts, I think the reason that I didn’t have much of a read on him is that he tended to keep his head down. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1634 "2009-07-12T17:20:33Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Vote Count: > > Meeko(5) : Pedescribe, BillMC, AllWalker, Tom Scud, Oredigger, > \*\* > [@Mahaloth](#): > > USCDiver is replacing BillMC. > > \*\*[/COLOR] 1. At least one of the players who voted for me was scum. 2. The game has lynched, Vig Killed, or NK’d 4 out of the 5. 3. The only Scum we have lynched was Shadow. 4. Shadow did not vote for me. 5. Therefore, **If 1 - 4 is true** , USCDiver must be Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1635 "2009-07-12T17:21:39Z")
**Vote USCDiver** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1636 "2009-07-12T17:32:09Z")
Telcontar : Do you not want to vote now? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1637 "2009-07-12T17:59:47Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > 1. At least one of the players who voted for me was scum. > > 2. The game has lynched, Vig Killed, or NK’d 4 out of the 5. > > 3. The only Scum we have lynched was Shadow. > > 4. Shadow did not vote for me. > > 5. Therefore, **If 1 - 4 is true** , USCDiver must be Scum. > [@Meeko](#): > > Telcontar : Do you not want to vote now? **Story** ’s comment made a great deal of sense when it was made, but I’m not sure I’m willing to accept the first premise as being conclusively proven. 4 out of the 5 players who voted for you were town, thus voting for you was not a “real” scum tell in each of those cases. But you were a very tempting bandwagon and, at the time, I thought that **story** was right; at least one scum was probably on the wagon (this is part of why I was suspicious of **pedescribe** ). \*\*Diver’\*\*s defense isn’t aided by his fairly low post count, he’s been a bit lurkerish at times when others were putting themselves out there. My other living suspicion is **Scuba**. **Shadow** , however, made a fairly determined effort to get **scuba** killed. This could have been an effort to build town cred - others were after scuba and, if a mafia is going to die, other mafia would love to be seen as having helped town kill them - but I think it’s worth leaving that WIFOM until Tomorrow. But yes, I really should put my vote where my mouth is, at least for now. **Vote Diver** ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1638 "2009-07-12T18:00:56Z")
NETA: if low-poster **cardinal** ends up being scum I think we’ll all going to feel really stupid. Anyone have a strong feeling about him? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1639 "2009-07-12T18:02:23Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > NETA: if low-poster **cardinal** ends up being scum I think we’ll all going to feel really stupid. Anyone have a strong feeling about him? I’m not with you, as much, for Cardinal, as I am for Scuba. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1640 "2009-07-12T18:05:04Z")
Story : What do you think of still voting for USCD? I mean, it is your theory after all, and I would assume, not having heard otherwise, that you are, at least in principal? Telcontar: I’m not with you on Cardinal, but, I’m perhaps there With Zeriel. He’s called me a " spaz " more than once. I wonder if there isn’t some… attack here, that was conspired. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=83)