# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1641 "2009-07-12T18:06:09Z")
NETA : That’s probably Principle. Because well, the Scum aren’t our pal. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1642 "2009-07-12T19:05:50Z")
FWIW : Even if USCD _isn’t_ scum, BillMC was scummy enough to me, at least. Didn’t he have like 3 posts, all of which were anti-meeko, and thus, anti-town? And further, it’s not like a substitute can change alignment. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1643 "2009-07-12T20:40:32Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > 1. At least one of the players who voted for me was scum. > > 2. The game has lynched, Vig Killed, or NK’d 4 out of the 5. > > 3. The only Scum we have lynched was Shadow. > > 4. Shadow did not vote for me. > > 5. Therefore, **If 1 - 4 is true** , USCDiver must be Scum. Your #1 premise was based on an early Day 1 bandwagon that formed prior to your claim. It is far from proven, and I’d be interested to see if **storyteller** still believes it to be true. > [@Meeko](#): > > FWIW : Even if USCD _isn’t_ scum, BillMC was scummy enough to me, at least. Didn’t he have like 3 posts, all of which were anti-meeko, and thus, anti-town? All three of his posts were made before you claimed. You’re just pissed he never returned to take his vote off you. Quit holding a grudge. > [@Meeko](#): > > I actually believe this one. This was in reference to my claim Yesterday. You believed me then and all of a sudden now you don’t? Make up your mind. I’ve already claimed, including my PM. I can’t do much to defend myself against a case made based on early Day 1 voting when I wasn’t around. Also I’m curious to look back at everyone who has claimed but NOT submitted their PM. I’m sure there’s at least 2, but I’d have to go back through Yesterday to see. My guess is that Scum were given Aliases, but NOT townie PMs so they’re reluctant to try to fabricate one. Knowing that my PM was different than theirs, they may also be reluctant to copy and paste the previous players’ vanilla role PMs. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1644 "2009-07-12T20:53:21Z")
I didn’t post mine, but if you like: > [@](#): > > Lost Role PM > You are Rose Nadler > > There was a terrible air plane crash. > > You don’t remember a lot about the actual crash, but when you awoke, you were lost on an island. You have recently begun to socialize with the other survivors, but you don’t really know them all that well. You have a very strong feeling that some of the people with you are…evil, and may not have even been on the plane. You have no idea who they are, but you do know that you will not feel safe until they are dead. > > You are a Survivor, this game’s version of Town ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1645 "2009-07-13T00:31:23Z")
I’m mobile mahaloth stated names AND roles as aliases for scum. IIRC. No real reason to not to post role pm(s) now. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1646 "2009-07-13T01:39:52Z")
Might I call attention to a [post by Jimmy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11318614#post11318614) yesterDay? > [@](#): > > This smells like more bullshit. I’m glad I checked in. > > As far as I’m concerned, pedescribe, Shadow, story, and Telcontar all look bad here. Presumably they aren’t all scum, since that would be pretty stupid, but I’d bet on a couple at least. It’s a little too convenient that an hour before the deadline we’ve got another clusterfuck on our hands, and on a quick reread I don’t see where the ped-story-Shadow shaggy dog story is verifiable by anyone outside the triumvirate. I don’t care what I said AllWalker’s crumbs were previously, this is a Sherlock Holmes eliminate the impossible scenario. > > If pedescribe and Shadow are both Town, and I know I’m town, and I believe AllWalker cleared Chronos, and Meeko is a town vigilante, that’s five. If Story is cleared, too, that leaves Telcontar, fang, Ben, USCDiver, Zeriel, I believe. > > Which means that in that scenario, in this entire game, coincidentally, town players have unilaterally gone after town players with almost no prodding from the scum, who were content to just sit back, not say much, and let the game play out without any of them ever becoming even a little bit of a target. It’s possible, I guess. > > It’s also possible that storyteller is a liar, pedescribe is a liar, and this whole thing is a put-on. Note that, by this point, **pede** had already claimed (including his full role PM) and nobody had counter-claimed, and of course we had already found that (presumed) breadcrumb for **storyteller**. Inventing a scenario with a whole bunch of specific people as Scum, including two who should have been pretty clearly Town, when just assuming that **Shadow** was Scum would be enough, seems pretty fishy to me. I also note that he was one of the people who did not say whether his name matched his alignment way back on Day 1, which isn’t enough by itself to damn him, but it doesn’t look good for him. **Vote Jimmy Chitwood** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1647 "2009-07-13T01:48:36Z")
\*\*Vote Count: USCDiver(2): Meeko, Telcontar Jimmy Chitwood(1): Chronos \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1648 "2009-07-13T02:09:02Z")
Another point, by the way: Have **Telcontar** and **Zeriel** posted role PMs? If I’m not mistaken, they both claimed tail-section characters, which might give them a different PM than the fuselage characters. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1649 "2009-07-13T02:15:07Z")
I am never here on weekends. Go Phillies, though, that Saturday game was INTENSE. > [@](#): > > You are Mr. Eko. > > There was a terrible crash. > > You don’t remember a lot about the actual crash, but when you awoke, you were lost on an island. It took you a long time, but you found other survivors from the plane, who broke off in the front section. Recently, you have begun to socialize and live with them. However, you have a very strong feeling that some of the people with you are…evil, and may not have even been on the plane. You have no idea who they are, but you do know that you will not feel safe until they are dead. > > You are a Survivor, this game’s version of Town. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1650 "2009-07-13T02:38:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Another point, by the way: Have **Telcontar** and **Zeriel** posted role PMs? If I’m not mistaken, they both claimed tail-section characters, which might give them a different PM than the fuselage characters. Didn’t think we were bothering to post PMs at this point. here it is though. > [@](#): > > You are Ana Lucia Cortez > > There was a terrible crash. > > You don’t remember a lot about the actual crash, but when you awoke, you were lost on an island. It took you a long time, but you found other survivors from the plane, who broke off in the front section. Recently, you have begun to socialize and live with them. However, you have a very strong feeling that some of the people with you are…evil, and may not have even been on the plane. You have no idea who they are, but you do know that you will not feel safe until they are dead. > > You are a Survivor, this game’s version of Town. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1651 "2009-07-13T02:40:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Might I call attention to a [post by Jimmy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11318614#post11318614) yesterDay? > Note that, by this point, **pede** had already claimed (including his full role PM) and nobody had counter-claimed, and of course we had already found that (presumed) breadcrumb for **storyteller**. Inventing a scenario with a whole bunch of specific people as Scum, including two who should have been pretty clearly Town, when just assuming that **Shadow** was Scum would be enough, seems pretty fishy to me. > > I also note that he was one of the people who did not say whether his name matched his alignment way back on Day 1, which isn’t enough by itself to damn him, but it doesn’t look good for him. > > **Vote Jimmy Chitwood** I mean, on the one hand, I’d be kind of relieved if you guys would just kill me so I don’t have to keep trying to figure out what’s going on here, but you’re barking up the wrong tree with this one. I didn’t do what you’re saying I did, as far as I can tell, but then I’m not really clear what you’re saying I did. Who were the “whole bunch of specific people?” Further, “we” didn’t find that breadcrumb for **storyteller** ; I did. So unless you’re accusing me of being dumb enough to bring that point to everyone’s attention, and then trying to skirt around it by not bringing it up, that looks like a non-starter to me. The post you quoted is me trying to make sense of what was, even in retrospect, a spectacularly suspicious series of plays by **pedescribe** dating back to the beginning of the game, and a continuing feeling on my part that, despite the objective inevitability of **story’s** town status (again, as suggested first by me), his play doesn’t quite match up to that of an ignorant and repeatedly-foiled town detective. If that’s the scummiest thing going, string me up. You’ll find I’m Rose Nadler, vanilla town. And I’ll go over into the forbidden thread and say, damn, something sure seems bullshitty about the way town is getting led around by the nose, same as I said in the post you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1652 "2009-07-13T02:43:07Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > NETA: if low-poster **cardinal** ends up being scum I think we’ll all going to feel really stupid. Anyone have a strong feeling about him? Well, yes, I do. He is town. And lynching him because he happens to have to lowest post count does not strike me as a good idea. I get it, I am not the most prolific poster, as **Scuba\_Ben** has felt compelled to point out multiple times. In particular: > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > [snip] > > I am willing to consider lynch-or-modkill the lurkers. > > [snip] I have not abandoned the game to the extent that being modkilled is anywhere near appropriate. This type if fishing from **Scuba** continues and make me suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1653 "2009-07-13T02:48:45Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Another point, by the way: Have **Telcontar** and **Zeriel** posted role PMs? If I’m not mistaken, they both claimed tail-section characters, which might give them a different PM than the fuselage characters. I am one of those who has not posted my role PM. Here it is, FTR. > [@](#): > > **Lost Role PM** > You are Claire Littleton > > There was a terrible air plane crash. > > You don’t remember a lot about the actual crash, but when you awoke, you were lost on an island. You have recently begun to socialize with the other survivors, but you don’t really know them all that well. You have a very strong feeling that some of the people with you are…evil, and may not have even been on the plane. You have no idea who they are, but you do know that you will not feel safe until they are dead. > > You are a Survivor, this game’s version of Town ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1654 "2009-07-13T02:50:58Z")
> [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > Well, yes, I do. He is town. And lynching him because he happens to have to lowest post count does not strike me as a good idea. > > I get it, I am not the most prolific poster, as **Scuba\_Ben** has felt compelled to point out multiple times. In particular: > > I have not abandoned the game to the extent that being modkilled is anywhere near appropriate. This type if fishing from **Scuba** continues and make me suspicious. I also worry about scuba for this reason; he seems to fish cases. I worry about you mostly because I have very little read on you. I’m hoping that one of the players who is fairly trustworthy (story, chronos) will weigh in on you so I have a bit more to go on. As it is, a scum player would love to have as low a profile as you do, though I think your time commitments and newbie status are probably adequate explanations for your post count. I’m just concerned that we’re going to find out post game that, instead of justifying your post count, we should have been lynching you for it. There’s always an element of “I’ll feel like I’m a moron if I’m wrong about X, so I should really be careful there” in my play. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1655 "2009-07-13T03:01:27Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > [snip] > > Also I’m curious to look back at everyone who has claimed but NOT submitted their PM. I’m sure there’s at least 2, but I’d have to go back through Yesterday to see. My guess is that Scum were given Aliases, but NOT townie PMs so they’re reluctant to try to fabricate one. Knowing that my PM was different than theirs, they may also be reluctant to copy and paste the previous players’ vanilla role PMs. Underlining mine. There is no need to guess. **Mahaloth** indicated he assigned PMs as well back in post [370](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11246461&postcount=370). Snippet below. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > [bleached]\*\* > [snip] > > 1. I am issuing a PM role description to go with the aliases as well. There was no generic “Survivor” role PM, so read nothing if people have minor differences, which I’m sure they do. I should have done this in the first place, but did not. > > You may do a name claim if you wish or not if you decide, but the above decisions are worth noting and considering.\*\* > [/bleached] ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1656 "2009-07-13T03:34:38Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > My scorecard: > > I consider **Meeko** and **Chronos** confirmed. The block-protect of Chronos didn’t disrupt the night kill. Until I know how the block mechanics work – which will be after the game ends, I’m sure – I’ll have to assume blocking any Scum would / might disrupt the kill. And at this point, there’s no reason to doubt Meeko’s claim of only one bullet. > > [snip] Can you explain why you believe **Chronos** to be confirmed at this point? I am not saying otherwise, I just don’t understand your logic. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1657 "2009-07-13T03:48:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I’m mobile > > mahaloth stated names AND roles as aliases for scum. IIRC. No real reason to not to post role pm(s) now. Sorry, **Meeko** , missed this when I posted. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1658 "2009-07-13T03:51:04Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’ll make that question official. > Is there any form of recruiting in this game? > > [snip] Was this answered? If it was I missed it. I suspect I know the (non-)answer, but FTR: **Is there any form of recruiting in this game?** ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1659 "2009-07-13T04:13:01Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > mahaloth stated names AND roles as aliases for scum. IIRC. No real reason to not to post role pm(s) now. > [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > There is no need to guess. **Mahaloth** indicated he assigned PMs as well back in post [370](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11246461&postcount=370). Snippet below. You’re both right of course, I must have missed that on my initial read through Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1660 "2009-07-13T04:23:57Z")
> [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > **Is there any form of recruiting in this game?** **No comment.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337.md?page=84)