# Lost Mafia/Werewolf/Psychopath **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337 "2009-06-10T15:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1681 "2009-07-14T03:53:39Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Well, unless we want to go back to the “the scum characters are the less important/later characters” logic. I don’t know the show well enough to know if that held up at all. Did it? I don’t think so,at least in one instance. Nikki Fernandez ( **Imaginary Fiend** ) was by all accounts a minor character who turned up town. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1682 "2009-07-14T04:06:23Z")
> [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > I don’t think so,at least in one instance. Nikki Fernandez ( **Imaginary Fiend** ) was by all accounts a minor character who turned up town. Not sure if this proves the case. All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares. You can’t point to a square and say that all rectangles must look like this. I think the case to prove, is if we have a major character, that turns out to be scum. The reverse, while proven, doesn’t do much of anything, on helping to identify scum. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1683 "2009-07-14T04:15:21Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Not sure if this proves the case. All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares. > > You can’t point to a square and say that all rectangles must look like this. > > I think the case to prove, is if we have a major character, that turns out to be scum. The reverse, while proven, doesn’t do much of anything, on helping to identify scum. Correct, this proves nothing. **Telcontar** was asking if we could assume that scum were minor/later characters. Knowing that town may also be in that mix also does not help us hunt scum using that logic. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1684 "2009-07-14T04:18:33Z")
I suppose I find myself unamused by the contention that my net contribution has been unhelpful or ambiguous in any way. Although I AM amused that it’s coming from Jimmy. As I’m the one who observed that we need to be fishing in the unconfirmed pool, I obviously am going to look there. The problem is, that we have a lot of innuendo and half-baked theories floating around, none of which appear have any traction. And we’ve also got a number of people laying relatively low in the unconfirmed pool. I’m tempted to OMGUS Jimmy for lack of a better option and see if I can post more tomorrow. As a matter of fact, I’m going to give into that temptation. **vote Jimmy Chitwood** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1685 "2009-07-14T04:18:46Z")
> [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > Correct, this proves nothing. **Telcontar** was asking if we could assume that scum were minor/later characters. Knowing that town may also be in that mix also does not help us hunt scum using that logic. I don’t understand why you posted it then. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1686 "2009-07-14T05:00:24Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > from the JSP page: > \* Basic Mafia: 4.5 > \* Godfather: 7 > \* Investigator: 6 > \* Toughguy (bonus nightkill): 7 > \* Daykiller (bonus daykill): 7.5 > \* Roleblocker: 6.5 > \* Redirector: 7 > > [http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/JSexton\_Points](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/JSexton_Points) > > So Zeriel is asking what people think of Meeko as being a toughguy (bonus nightkill), i think. I did not see this addressed and will take a crack at it; please check my math. Based on **storyteller** ’s [analysis](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11326874&postcount=1595) and assuming four scum (note that I have added the Day Start bonus as described on the wiki page): TOWN Detective - 4 pts Lie Dectector - 3.5 pts (generous) Paranoid Doctor - 2.5 pts (being generous) One-Shot Vig - 1.5 pts 9 x 1 Vanilla Town - 9 pts. Day Start - 1 pts. **Total - 21.5 pts.** SCUM Scenario 1 Roleblocker - 6 pts. 3 x 4.5 Vanilla Scum - 13.5 pts. **Total - 19.5 pts.** SCUM Scenario 2 Roleblocker - 6 pts. Godfather - 7 pts. 2 x 4.5 Vanilla Scum - 9 pts. \*\*Total - 22 pts. \*\* Now, assume **Meeko** as a toughguy: TOWN Detective - 4 pts Lie Dectector - 3.5 pts (generous) Paranoid Doctor - 2.5 pts (being generous) 10 x 1 Vanilla Town - 10 pts. Day Start - 1 pts. **Total - 21 pts.** SCUM Scenario 1 Roleblocker - 6 pts. Toughguy - 7 pts. 2 x 4.5 Vanilla Scum - 9 pts. **Total - 22 pts.** SCUM Scenario 2 Roleblocker - 6 pts. Godfather - 7 pts. Toughguy - 7 pts. 1 x 4.5 Vanilla Scum - 4.5 pts. **Total - 24.5 pts.** So, from a game-balance perspective it is plausible, at least in one case, although as **Zeriel** [mentions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11326951&postcount=1602) it may not make sense given what’s transpired. I have no experience on whether using a bonus nightkill on Night 1 is good play or not. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1687 "2009-07-14T05:01:52Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I don’t understand why you posted it then. Well, to answer **Telcontar** ’s question. ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1688 "2009-07-14T06:36:50Z")
Well, **Chronos** is right, time to lay in a vote. **Scuba\_Ben** has been pinging me with his smudging and fishing over the past couple of days, but **Telcontar** raises a point here: > [@Telcontar](#): > > [snip] > My other living suspicion is **Scuba**. **Shadow** , however, made a fairly determined effort to get **scuba** killed. This could have been an effort to build town cred - others were after scuba and, if a mafia is going to die, other mafia would love to be seen as having helped town kill them - but I think it’s worth leaving that WIFOM until Tomorrow. > [snip] On review, **Shadow** ’s record against **Scuba** was not overly risky if he was building town cred. On Day 2, it was a late one-off, which [**Zeriel**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11273575&postcount=777) even commented on at the time. Day 3 was somewhat riskier in that he placed an early vote and rode it to the end, when he [broke the tie](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11297888&postcount=1129) between **Chronos** and **Fiend**. In other words, while he did not switch off of **Scuba** earlier, he didn’t have to given the circumstances (incidentally, his partner in crime in voting for **Scuba** was **AllWalker** ). Yes, WIFOM-ey, so I will file this for further examination as well. I am also confused as to his case for **Chronos** in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11329675&postcount=1628) post, and am awaiting his reply. **Diver** has me suspicious as well. He raises the PM issue [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11332358&postcount=1643), under the false assumption that Scum were trying to fabricate PMs because they were not issued by **Mahaloth**. He acknowledges his mistake, but immediately returns to [smudge](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11334113&postcount=1665) those with the same PM based on something **Mahaloth** didn’t really say (he said not to read anything into slight differences – identical PM verbiage is still likely, even probable). He continues is this vein by [smudging](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11334840&postcount=1670) those who posted their PMs _at his request_ (including me, FTR), and proposes a WIFOM scenario whereupon he ignores the perfectly valid alias PMs issued by **Mahaloth** (again, even after he acknowledged they were available). **Telcontar** calls him out on it, and **storyteller** adds a bit of metagamey _Lost_-specific knowledge to the mix (although the latter is not intended to be very telling, in any event). Ironically, all of this is unnecessary as **Chronos** ’s [FOS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11333404&postcount=1661) was just plain wrong – **Diver** ’s character was not on the plane, so his PM could reasonably be assumed to be different. **Diver** seems to be grasping at straws, and continuing to scratch at the PMs when there is nothing there is not pro-town. I will place a conditional vote here and await further input from **Diver** , and can be talked into **Scuba** if a better case is made. **vote USCDiver** ---
**Author:** ![cardinal\_fang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal_fang/32/15316_2.png) [@cardinal\_fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cardinal_fang)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1689 "2009-07-14T06:41:34Z")
BTW, **Chronos** , you have specifically [mentioned](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11335115&postcount=1673) **Telcontar** and **Zeriel** wrt their PMs, but have said nothing about **USCDiver** since you [smudged](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11333404&postcount=1661) him. Why do you believe his PM is suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1690 "2009-07-14T10:32:29Z")
I wouldn’t say I’m grasping at straws. There’s only a few things we can do to find scum: we can sit around and wait for a scum to make an obvious slit (not gonna happen), we can wait for our investigator to find scum (hasn’t happened yet) or we can look for patterns in the posts that have been made. That’s what I’ve been trying to do. I’ve got to head to work for the day, but I’ll be back later this evening. I’m going to reserve my vote for self-defense, but I’m not afraid of dying. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1691 "2009-07-14T12:13:42Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Story, do you have an active vote? Did you want to still press on BillMC / Diver, per your theory on my first day votes? Honestly, I’m not sure yet. I tried to keep up with new posts during what was, for me, a long weekend (I had off work yesterday), but it is very difficult for me to keep up with the game when I’m not at work. I intend to read more intensively today and get a vote on the record ASAP. I think I have learned that I shouldn’t really play in any games where a substantial percentage of each Day will fall on the weekend. I simply can’t commit to an adequate level of participation in such a situation. More to come. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1692 "2009-07-14T13:17:22Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I suppose I find myself unamused by the contention that my net contribution has been unhelpful or ambiguous in any way. Although I AM amused that it’s coming from Jimmy. > > As I’m the one who observed that we need to be fishing in the unconfirmed pool, I obviously am going to look there. > > The problem is, that we have a lot of innuendo and half-baked theories floating around, none of which appear have any traction. And we’ve also got a number of people laying relatively low in the unconfirmed pool. > > I’m tempted to OMGUS Jimmy for lack of a better option and see if I can post more tomorrow. > > As a matter of fact, I’m going to give into that temptation. > > **vote Jimmy Chitwood** Not to put too fine a point on it, but isn’t an OMGUS pretty close to “laying relatively low in the unconfirmed pool”? Just saying… Lets get those votes in. 26 hours to go. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1693 "2009-07-14T13:49:02Z")
I’m checking back in. I got home later than expected, and found I have a commitment tonight. So I have no chance for substantial analysis Today. **cardinal\_fang** in #1656 asks me to explain my best-guess on **Chronos** in #1628. My best guess of **pedescribe** ’s power is that if he block-tected a Scum, he would disrupt the Scum’s kill. This is only a guess, but it is consistent with the only certain block of a Scum, that of **ShadowFacts** on Night 2. **Chronos** was block-tected last Night (if I remember correctly), yet **pedescribe** was Killed. Based on my assumption that pede blocking a Scum would always block the Scum’s kill – which I freely admit has as much proof as saying “pede would have to block the Scum’s designated killer” or “pede blocking a Scum would have a 1 in N chance of blocking the kill, where N is the number of Scum remaining”, that is, no proof whatsoever – then I have to conclude for my own card that Chronos is Town. I have no preference between the three players with votes on them (Jimmy, USC, Zeriel). I will skim Today’s and last Night’s posts when I get a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1694 "2009-07-14T13:54:35Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I suppose I find myself unamused by the contention that my net contribution has been unhelpful or ambiguous in any way. Although I AM amused that it’s coming from Jimmy. Ooh, get it? Jimmy sucks! I’m sorry that my contribution has been so woeful as to render a sideshow out of any votes I make, but **Chronos** was right; nobody’s doing anything in this game. I can’t see any reason why you need to be offended by a single vote. I’m sorry you’re insulted by the attention. It’s not like I’m trying to railroad anybody; I note that your vote was the 4th for **ShadowFacts** , and you were very forceful and convincing in your reasoning for that vote. Ten points to you. Meanwhile, I have to vote for somebody. And I had one moment where you really seemed to be thinking from an anti-town perspective, and your name is on pretty much every “watch list” that has been posted thus far (by which I mean, the list of unconfirmeds, **AllWalker’s** cross-section list of non-claimers and late-contributors, etc.) As of the last six days or so your main contribution has been to accuse me of: > [@](#): > > sowing distrust of our vigilante and his choices which was funny given that your next two posts were > [@](#): > > Personally, my theory is “Meeko is deranged”, story. and > [@](#): > > For the sake of all of us, I would like to motion that we table the discussion on specifically the limited subject of Meeko’s power use choices. > > _Unless you think he’s lying scum_, there’s not much benefit we can get out of endless recriminations about how he lied about his powers. It was a halfway decent gambit on his part if he’s telling the truth. Personally I’m inclined to believe him, if only because I have trouble imagining scum shooting off a bonus kill on Night One when the bonus killer wasn’t likely to be a Day Two lynch target. > > Out of curiousity, though, what’re the JSexton numbers for a game with a one-shot bonus scum killer rather than a one-shot vig? I’m not an idiot; I am aware this isn’t exactly beyond a reasonable doubt caliber evidence. There’s still time for my vote to move as I reread and compare the different cases and people’s responses to them. At the same time, it’s not like you’ve been in here playing an obviously pro-town game on a regular basis. Sometimes it’s worth voting for somebody just to see whether or not, for instance, they’ll flip out and vote for you out of anger. (Although it’s hard to blame anybody for voting for me at this point, so I’m not inclined to count that as much of a negative in your ledger. You’re lucky I’ve made so many stupid decisions, though, because otherwise it would look a lot like your OMGUS that you can retract at any time was an easy way to get another townie installed as an early vote-leader.). ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1695 "2009-07-14T14:04:42Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > **Chronos** was block-tected last Night (if I remember correctly), yet **pedescribe** was Killed. Based on my assumption that pede blocking a Scum would always block the Scum’s kill – which I freely admit has as much proof as saying “pede would have to block the Scum’s designated killer” or “pede blocking a Scum would have a 1 in N chance of blocking the kill, where N is the number of Scum remaining”, that is, no proof whatsoever – then I have to conclude for my own card that Chronos is Town. If **pedescribe’s** power would be guaranteed to prevent a kill if he used it on any Scum whatsoever, it would have been game-breakingly powerful. We could have left **ShadowFacts** alive and simply blocked him every Night, eliminating the Scum’s ability to Night kill for the remainder of the game. I can’t imagine a circumstance in which this would make for a balanced game or even a somewhat balanced game. I don’t mean to take on the role of prosecuting attorney in the case of Town v. Chronos. I just think there’s a lot of buying into the theory that Chronos is confirmed, and nothing we’ve seen supports that confirmation. He is vanilla. We have a statement from AllWalker that may or may not constitute a breadcrumb - and we have the possibility that a role might be able to confuse a Detective (remember, we have two investigators, so a number of hedges against this might be present). Chronos’ insistence on his own confirmation in and of itself worries me tremendously: remember, to win the Scum need only to have us accept one of them as Town. We can lynch every other Scum in the game, but if we guess wrong and accept Chronos as Town when he is Scum, it will mean a loss in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1696 "2009-07-14T14:26:38Z")
> [@cardinal\_fang](#): > > I did not see this addressed and will take a crack at it; please check my math. Based on **storyteller** ’s [analysis](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11326874&postcount=1595) and assuming four scum (note that I have added the Day Start bonus as described on the wiki page): > > So, from a game-balance perspective it is plausible, at least in one case, although as **Zeriel** [mentions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11326951&postcount=1602) it may not make sense given what’s transpired. I have no experience on whether using a bonus nightkill on Night 1 is good play or not. Your math is correct. I think that, from a game balance perspective, it would make sense for their to be two vanilla scum, a roleblocker, and…something. a toughguy is possible. A godfather is possible. It would normally be a bad play to use a bonus nightkill on night 1, but it would also normally be a bad play to use a 1 shot vigilante kill on night 1. I’m inclined to trust meeko until 3 person mafia based on his pre-cover ID name claim, but the math doesn’t prohibit him as toughguy. > [@storyteller0910](#): > > If **pedescribe’s** power would be guaranteed to prevent a kill if he used it on any Scum whatsoever, it would have been game-breakingly powerful. We could have left **ShadowFacts** alive and simply blocked him every Night, eliminating the Scum’s ability to Night kill for the remainder of the game. I can’t imagine a circumstance in which this would make for a balanced game or even a somewhat balanced game. > > I don’t mean to take on the role of prosecuting attorney in the case of Town v. Chronos. I just think there’s a lot of buying into the theory that Chronos is confirmed, and nothing we’ve seen supports that confirmation. He is vanilla. We have a statement from AllWalker that may or may not constitute a breadcrumb - and we have the possibility that a role might be able to confuse a Detective (remember, we have two investigators, so a number of hedges against this might be present). Chronos’ insistence on his own confirmation in and of itself worries me tremendously: remember, to win the Scum need only to have us accept one of them as Town. We can lynch every other Scum in the game, but if we guess wrong and accept Chronos as Town when he is Scum, it will mean a loss in the end. I agree on pedescribe and blocking. Very likely Shadow was the designated killer the night pedescribe blocked him. Like meeko, chronos is someone who I am trusting at this point even though it is theoretically possible that he’s actually scum. I think allwalker’s breadcrumbs were as clear as breadcrumbs tend to get. Though, like you and zeriel, I think his “I’m confirmed, I’m confirmed” dance isn’t exactly a town tell. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1697 "2009-07-14T15:48:08Z")
Oh: Given any of our game math approaches, we are currently at lynch or lose. just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1698 "2009-07-14T15:50:22Z")
neta:oops, can’t count. really wish i could edit. Tomorrow is lynch or lose. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1699 "2009-07-14T16:09:25Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > neta:oops, can’t count. really wish i could edit. Tomorrow is lynch or lose. Even if we lynch scum tonight? Just as good, I am moving to a new apartment on the first. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-mafia-werewolf-psychopath/499337/1700 "2009-07-14T16:14:05Z")
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