# Lost Movies

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [December 30, 2014, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531 "2014-12-30T13:54:14Z")\
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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/41 "2014-12-31T17:28:01Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> I never thought of _Cold Turkey_ as obscure, but I have to admit that I haven’t seen it on TV in ages, and I’ve never seen it for sale or rental in VHS or DVD form.

I had never heard of it until I happened to catch it on one of the movie channels. It’s pretty decent.

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**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/42 "2014-12-31T18:38:09Z")

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A lot of good ones listed here including some of my favorites.

For some reason I’m reminded of two James Coburn movies that don’t seem to have much contemporary presence:

Dead Heat on a Merry-Go-Round (1966)  
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Harry in Your Pocket (1973)

And, as I do every Christmas season, I recently re-watched “The Cheaters” (1945) my favorite obscure holiday film.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/43 "2014-12-31T19:02:28Z")

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The documentary “Best Boy” is available on Netflix. So is the sequel, “Best Man”, which is mostly the story about him being Bar Mitzvah’ed. He didn’t understand what it meant, but knew it was something people do when they become grownups. There is also a third movie called “Best Sister” but AFAIK it’s not on streaming or DVD.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/44 "2014-12-31T19:35:25Z")

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> [@randwill](#):
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> A lot of good ones listed here including some of my favorites.
> 
> For some reason I’m reminded of two James Coburn movies that don’t seem to have much contemporary presence:
> 
> Dead Heat on a Merry-Go-Round (1966)  
> and  
> Harry in Your Pocket (1973)
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> And, as I do every Christmas season, I recently re-watched “The Cheaters” (1945) my favorite obscure holiday film.

Speaking of Coburn…“The Last of Sheila” is a nice obscurish film.

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/45 "2014-12-31T19:47:36Z")

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> [@Dale\_Sams](#):
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> Speaking of Coburn…“The Last of Sheila” is a nice obscurish film.

One of my favorites, as I’ve noted before. It certainly deserves to be better known than it is. It’s the illegitimate half-brother of _Sleuth_. Both involve egotistical and somewhat sadistic games-players who invite people over for some very personal games. Both were inspired by Stephen Sondheim and his affection for games. (I’ve heard the first movie of _Sleuth_ was actually filmed partly in Sondheim’s apartment. Don’t know if it’s true). Sondheim himself wrote the script for TLoS, in collaboration with Anthony Perkins (!!!)\*. The film features a number of mysteries-within-mysteries, an all-star cast (besides Coburn, there’s James Mason, Richard Benjamin, Dyan Cannon, and Raquel Welch) , and the mystery “plays fair”, giving you all the clues needed, but still with a wicked twist, and the solution really does develop naturally from the setup, without invoking odd coincidences and the like.

I know this one’s been on VHS and DVD, because I’ve got them. But it shows up on TV all too rarely.  
\*One Doper suggested that Perkins hoped to appear in the film, which could explain his input to the script. But he wasn’t in the film.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/46 "2014-12-31T20:14:06Z")

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There are lost people as well as lost movies.

David Janssen was mostly known for television work, starring in _The Fugitive_ and _Harry O_, one of my favorites. But after _Harry O_, he appeared in _Two-Minute Warning_, _Warhead_, _Golden Rendezvous_, _Covert Action_, and\* Inchon\*. I’ve never seen any and the only one I’ve heard of is _Inchon_, because of its status as a legendary bomb.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/47 "2014-12-31T20:27:09Z")

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I watched the end of “Two Minute Warning” the other day for the Heston yumminess.

Very interesting film and premise. A sniper with no agenda decides to let loose on a football game, Heston shoots him, Heston yells at him, sniper dies. Roll credits.

As for lost actors. Definitely. I’d say almost all actors from back in the day are ‘lost’

When’s the last time you saw Dyan Cannon, Charles Grodin, Warren Beatty, James Brolin, Richard Benjamin, Monte Markham, John Saxon, Clu Gulager…

I’d say Jeff Bridges and Meryl Streep are the oldest actors you still see in high profile films. Arguably Redford.

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**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/48 "2014-12-31T20:38:23Z")

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> [@Dale\_Sams](#):
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> I watched the end of “Two Minute Warning” the other day for the Heston yumminess.
> 
> Very interesting film and premise. A sniper with no agenda decides to let loose on a football game, Heston shoots him, Heston yells at him, sniper dies. Roll credits.
> 
> As for lost actors. Definitely. I’d say almost all actors from back in the day are ‘lost’
> 
> When’s the last time you saw Dyan Cannon, Charles Grodin, Warren Beatty, James Brolin, Richard Benjamin, Monte Markham, John Saxon, Clu Gulager…
> 
> I’d say Jeff Bridges and Meryl Streep are the oldest actors you still see in high profile films. Arguably Redford.

Clu Gulager appeared recently in **Feast** and its two sequels. In fact, I think he’s the only one to appear in all three. His son John directed all three.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/49 "2014-12-31T22:17:24Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> One of my favorites, as I’ve noted before. It certainly deserves to be better known than it is. It’s the illegitimate half-brother of _Sleuth_. Both involve egotistical and somewhat sadistic games-players who invite people over for some very personal games. Both were inspired by Stephen Sondheim and his affection for games. (I’ve heard the first movie of _Sleuth_ was actually filmed partly in Sondheim’s apartment. Don’t know if it’s true). Sondheim himself wrote the script for TLoS, in collaboration with Anthony Perkins (!!!)\*. The film features a number of mysteries-within-mysteries, an all-star cast (besides Coburn, there’s James Mason, Richard Benjamin, Dyan Cannon, and Raquel Welch) , and the mystery “plays fair”, giving you all the clues needed, but still with a wicked twist, and the solution really does develop naturally from the setup, without invoking odd coincidences and the like.
> 
> I know this one’s been on VHS and DVD, because I’ve got them. But it shows up on TV all too rarely.  
> \*One Doper suggested that Perkins hoped to appear in the film, which could explain his input to the script. But he wasn’t in the film.

Great movie. I really need to see it again. And it is available on Amazon, plentifully so. I like it better than Sleuth myself.  
Damn - Stephen Sondheim’s Crossword Puzzle book is not available.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/50 "2014-12-31T22:25:46Z")

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> [@Voyager](#):
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> Great movie. I really need to see it again. And it is available on Amazon, plentifully so. I like it better than Sleuth myself.  
> Damn - Stephen Sondheim’s Crossword Puzzle book is not available.

I hadn’t realized it until I read the Wikipedia entry on TLoS, but apparently Sondheim and Perkins used to concoct scavenger hunts among their Hollywood and Broadway buddies, like the ones depicted in the film. That’s a more likely reason for their collaboration on the script, rather than Perkins wanting to play a part in it.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/51 "2014-12-31T22:57:13Z")

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> [@Dale\_Sams](#):
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> When’s the last time you saw Dyan Cannon, Charles Grodin, Warren Beatty, James Brolin, Richard Benjamin, Monte Markham, John Saxon, Clu Gulager…

What I meant is that a famous actor disappeared into an endless string of movies that were never heard from again. The actors you mention aren’t working that much today, but they made many famous films in their heyday. I’m sure that each has a lost movie, but that wasn’t typical of their output year after year.

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**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/52 "2014-12-31T23:18:10Z")

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> [@Dale\_Sams](#):
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> Speaking of which…I’m shocked every time I remember that an Invisible Man film with Chevy Chase directed by John Carpenter exists.

I actually liked an Invisible Man. It sounds weird casting Chevy in a movie like this but coming shortly after Michael Keaton became Batman it paid to keep an open mind. It looked like he was trying to get back to a leading man role, like in Foul Play, but it was starting to get too late for that.

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**Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/53 "2015-01-01T00:46:21Z")

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> [@vd](#):
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> Prediction: this thread will be zombie bait.  
> There was a movie I remember seeing in the late 70’s as the throwaway part of a double feature. I didn’t have a title, though, and I thought I would have trouble searching for it.
> 
> Turns out, it was really easy to find by Googling “movie laser gun necklace space”. [Laserblast](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserblast): “a 1978 American science fiction film about an unhappy teenage loner who discovers an alien laser cannon and goes on a murderous rampage, seeking revenge against those who he feels have wronged him.”
> 
> The image of little metal disk that forms on his chest from the necklace is what stuck with me for 35 years.
> 
> Turns out there’s even an MST3K for it. Time to go searching for that.

The MST3K version was on Netflix… until about a week or two ago. :smack:

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**Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/54 "2015-01-01T01:29:39Z")

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> [@aruvqan](#):
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> Hello Down There - cheesy movie about a guy being more or less forced to take his family and live in an experimental underwater dwelling. The kids are trying to make it big as a rock band, and they play a song called Hello Down There that ends up getting them discovered.
> 
> Always made me want to live underwater, it is one of the reasons I took scuba diving [open water 1 and 2, nothing fancy though I wouldn’t mind wreck, cave and depth diving certs.]

“Hey little goldfish, where ya goin to, little goldfish let me swim a long with you. Pretty goldfish we can have a whale of a time, oh oh, put your fin in mine oh oh”

I saw that movie one time, when I was 8, and I still remember that song.

How about the Doberman Gang movies and Bless The Beasts and The Children.

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**Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/55 "2015-01-01T01:35:44Z")

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Anyone remember _The Blue Iguana_? Dylan McDermott as a bounty hunter blackmailed by rogue IRS agents into a complex last-man-standing heist of an outlaw Mexican bank.

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**Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/56 "2015-01-01T01:44:19Z")

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> [@Clarisse\_McClellan](#):
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> “Hey little goldfish, where ya goin to, little goldfish let me swim a long with you. Pretty goldfish we can have a whale of a time, oh oh, put your fin in mine oh oh”
> 
> I saw that movie one time, when I was 8, and I still remember that song.
> 
> How about the Doberman Gang movies and Bless The Beasts and The Children.

Bless the Beasts and the Children was one of my faves. I’ve got the soundtrack.

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**Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/57 "2015-01-01T17:54:40Z")

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> [@TBG](#):
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> The MST3K version was on Netflix… until about a week or two ago. :smack:

Dammit. I would have seen that if Netflix Canada wasn’t so limited. It’s on [YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZz8Lb79_3A), though.

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**Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/58 "2015-01-01T18:58:18Z")

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> [@RealityChuck](#):
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> I actually have a blog that covers a lot of films like these. Some that would fit include:
> 
> _Picking Up the Pieces_ (very big name cast, including Woody Allen, Sharon Stone, Keifer Sutherland, David Schwimmer, Elliot Gould, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt)  
> _Cobb_ (Tommy Lee Jones is magnificent)  
> _Putney Swope_  
> _Cry Uncle_(too bawdy for TV)  
> _Movie Movie_  
> _The 5000 Fingers of Dr. T_ (written by Dr. Seuss!)  
> _Brute Force_ Hume Cronin as one of Hollywood’s most sadistic villains.  
> _Best Boy_  
> _The Onion Field_ (Made James Woods a star, and helped Ted Danson, too)  
> _Targets_ (Boris Karloff’s last major film, and one of his best)  
> _Mother Night_ (great adaptation of a Kurt Vonnegut novel)

Are we still talking about lost movies? I’ve seen most of these.

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**Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/59 "2015-01-01T19:25:30Z")

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The one I have always wanted to see is the version of _Largo Desolato_ that aired about 25 years ago on PBS. At the time, I was able to listen to it, but I did not have a working television. Why it so utterly vanished is beyond me. Perhaps the great, evil trilateral commission was working out of Prague at the time.

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**Post date:** [January 2, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-movies/708531/60 "2015-01-02T20:41:49Z")

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Swashbuckler  
Bob Carol Ted and Alice  
Southern Comfort  
The Savage Seven  
If Its Tuesday it Must be Belgium

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