# LOST: Season Six 2-Hour Premier 2/2 (6.1/6.2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 2, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422 "2010-02-02T18:53:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/121 "2010-02-03T05:08:56Z")
I don’t think they’re good and bad per se. I think it’s that Jacob sees the good in people and Esau sees the bad in them, so they have their skewed views of the world around them. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/122 "2010-02-03T05:12:53Z")
Regarding “why not stick Juliet in the spring,” I think it only works if you’re near death. Like it’s a super concentrated version of the island’s healing powers. And I don’t Sayid “completely” died. Miles looked like he was trying to speak/listen to him and he couldn’t get anything out of him. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/123 "2010-02-03T05:16:07Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Regarding “why not stick Juliet in the spring,” I think it only works if you’re near death. Like it’s a super concentrated version of the island’s healing powers. And I don’t Sayid “completely” died. Miles looked like he was trying to speak/listen to him and he couldn’t get anything out of him. He was only **mostly** dead! And Miles was probably going through his pockets and looking for loose change… ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/124 "2010-02-03T05:18:45Z")
Why was that plane completely Michael and Walt-less? Even the pre-show wrapup was Michael and Walt-less. We spent a damn good bit of time investing ourselves in the plot of Michael and Waaaaalt. Now they are nowhere to be seen! ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/125 "2010-02-03T05:18:56Z")
As a result of the visit to the temple, I wonder if Island Sayid’s body is now possessed by Jacob, in the same way that “Esau” took over Locke’s. ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/126 "2010-02-03T05:21:07Z")
Locke’s body is on the sand lying by the big metal box. Sayid’s body rose from the dead. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/127 "2010-02-03T05:21:11Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Regarding “why not stick Juliet in the spring,” I think it only works if you’re near death. Like it’s a super concentrated version of the island’s healing powers. And I don’t Sayid “completely” died. Miles looked like he was trying to speak/listen to him and he couldn’t get anything out of him. I’m guessing that Sayid \*\*is \*\*dead, but is now possessed by Jacob the same way The Man in Black (when did we learn his name is Esau?) took over Locke’s body. That’s why Jacob told Hurley to bring Sayid to the Temple. He needed a new body. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/128 "2010-02-03T05:28:10Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > I’m guessing that Sayid \*\*is \*\*dead, but is now possessed by Jacob the same way The Man in Black (when did we learn his name is Esau?) took over Locke’s body. That’s why Jacob told Hurley to bring Sayid to the Temple. He needed a new body. Beat you by three minutes! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/129 "2010-02-03T05:31:10Z")
> [@haYnguy](#): > > haha! why can’t they just put an ash circle around him and stop him in a confined area? “Set it and forget it” 😉 I’m guessing that he was trapped in “Jacob’s” shack for most of those years, hence the ash circle around it. Was the driver in the cab that Earth-2 Claire and Earth-2 Kate met…was he the creepy puppet-master guy from Heroes? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/130 "2010-02-03T05:31:32Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Why was that plane completely Michael and Walt-less? Even the pre-show wrapup was Michael and Walt-less. > > We spent a damn good bit of time investing ourselves in the plot of Michael and Waaaaalt. Now they are nowhere to be seen! That’s how you know time’s frakked up; Walt goes to the head a 10 year old, comes out old enough to join the Marines. ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/131 "2010-02-03T05:33:18Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Was the driver in the cab that Earth-2 Claire and Earth-2 Kate met…was he the creepy puppet-master guy from Heroes? looked like it to me too. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/132 "2010-02-03T05:35:31Z")
“Esau” is still using the guise of Locke’s body. Sayid was healed in the same way Ben was, when he was shot by Sayid in 1977. I wonder what kind of effect this “healing spring” will have on Sayid. Also, the comment about the spring not being clear, but dirty… I wonder what that might mean for Sayid. (Perhaps that’s why it took longer to heal him? A side effect from the Hydrogen bomb?) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/133 "2010-02-03T05:41:07Z")
My guess is that the spring gets its power from Jacob, and with Jacob dead the spring is losing its power. I bet there will be a lot of bad things happening to the island with Jacob dead. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/134 "2010-02-03T05:41:12Z")
> [@haYnguy](#): > > hmmm. well, since Esau wants to go home and can’t for some reason, and Locke is able to go home but doesn’t want to, maybe Esau is trying to pull a switcheroo to get home (in some brain slaying fashion)? Maybe Esau just thinks it’s funny. He seems to have a sort of sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/135 "2010-02-03T05:42:43Z")
He might know that Jack+Crew are back, in which case it would be handy to stay as Locke. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/136 "2010-02-03T05:45:16Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Monstre Theory #1: After 1977, they got blasted back to the present day island. Eventually they are going to do the REAL reset, which will put them back on the plane (hence they are flash forwards). > > Monstre Theory #2: After 1977, the reset worked. They ended up back on the plane in 2004. Eventually, the universe course-corrected their asses back to the island, hence the wake-up outside the Swan pit. Airplane/airport scenes are now flashbacks before the course-correction. > > Monstre Theory #3: The Incident split things into different quantum realities. Eventually this will de-stabilize the universe. To fix this, they will have to find Schroedinger’s Cat and kill the damn thing once and for all. Clappy-hand Guy to all of these. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/137 "2010-02-03T05:46:22Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Why was that plane completely Michael and Walt-less? Even the pre-show wrapup was Michael and Walt-less. > > We spent a damn good bit of time investing ourselves in the plot of Michael and Waaaaalt. Now they are nowhere to be seen! Not that I mind… ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/138 "2010-02-03T05:51:29Z")
I’m wondering, is the Japanese guy supposed to be the new leader since John disappeared three years ago? And who played his translator? I know I’ve seen him before. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/139 "2010-02-03T05:54:10Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > My guess is that the spring gets its power from Jacob, and with Jacob dead the spring is losing its power. I bet there will be a lot of bad things happening to the island with Jacob dead. Nice. I’ll bet there’s something to that. And just in case it’s not clear to anyone: Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Miles, Jin, and Sayid are all in 2007, the same time as Sun, Ben, Locke/Esau and the rest made clear by the fireworks set off by Japanese Guy, which they Ajira gang witnessed from the beach. Also, I wonder if in the same vein as “Esau” taking the form of Locke, if Jacob took the form of Christian Shepherd. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2010, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422/140 "2010-02-03T05:55:31Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I’m guessing that he was trapped in “Jacob’s” shack for most of those years, hence the ash circle around it. I don’t think so. The smoke monster has been seen all over the island. Unless the jumping through time has changed something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-season-six-2-hour-premier-2-2-6-1-6-2/527422.md?page=8)