# LOST: Theories/questions/comments (non-episode specific and spoilers galore) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859 "2009-04-12T17:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/21 "2009-04-12T20:06:32Z")
Hadn’t seen that collection, so I was intrigued by this: “…other nefarious things the Others are doing in the real world, but we can’t tell you about that yet.” Apparently they own butcher shops: perhaps passing off polar bear meat as prime rib? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/22 "2009-04-12T20:20:02Z")
> [@TooSchoolforCool](#): > > To be fair to bitchy Michael, African American characters seem to have a pretty short lifespan on this show: Rose is pretty much the only one that hasn’t been killed or dropped out of the storyline within a season and a half of being introduced, and she’s pretty much been only a guest star in terms of how often she appears. True–but in fairness, the only major players at this point are Jack, Kate, Locke, Sawyer and Ben. There’s only the 5 major characters any more. Hurley (who’s my favorite character goddamnit), Miles, Juliette, Jin, Sun, and the rest are all relegated to second bananas–with Rose and her Hubby and Desmond/Penny as “c” list characters. In any case, if he wasn’t a douchebag about it, there’s every chance he could have become a smoke-ghost like so many other characters who died for the Island. Hell, they brought the much-loathed Anna-Lucia back as well as Charlie at lest temporarily. Michael could certainly have come back. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/23 "2009-04-12T20:39:02Z")
Iiiinteresting… Whatshisname—the “Other” with the fake beard–gay guy. Told Michael that the island wouldn’t let him die…offered the Losties the exact same deal (with the same line of demarcation, but with the Others on the Dharma side?) that the Dharma guys had with them. (2x12-Hunting Party) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/24 "2009-04-12T21:08:19Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > \*He accused the producers of being racists for killing Michael off. Toward the end of “The Unusuals” his character is found basically cowering, vomiting in a garbage can. My wife walks into the room and asks me what’s going on and I said, “He’s yelling for Walt in the garbage can”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/25 "2009-04-12T21:10:54Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Iiiinteresting… > > Whatshisname—the “Other” with the fake beard–gay guy. Told Michael that the island wouldn’t let him die…offered the Losties the exact same deal (with the same line of demarcation, but with the Others on the Dharma side?) that the Dharma guys had with them. (2x12-Hunting Party) Could that be where the Dharma sensor grid leaves off? Since by that point The Others had taken over the Dharma digs, that line could be where The Others could know when the Losties came poking around. So they could use those sensors to increase their seemingly supernatural knowledge of what everyone was doing. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![santosvega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@santosvega](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/santosvega)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/26 "2009-04-12T21:18:44Z")
The show can be absolutely maddening sometimes. I think the one thing that sticks in my craw more than anything else was the Hurley episode that ended with the revelation that Libby had been in the mental hospital with him, at the time practically a vegetable. Seriously, is this something that will _ever_ be addressed, or even mentioned again? It was such a creepy and intriguing ending, but now the actress has been booted off the show, Hurley has been relegated to background-character status, and I’ve just about given up on any hope of an explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/27 "2009-04-12T21:29:43Z")
Errr…211 I want to go to Hawaii–I’ve only swam in the ocean like 2 times in my life and man, that looks cool. They never really dealt with Charlie’s “Save the baby!” prophetic dreams (why was the Island sending them to him?)–They stopped after Turniphead, the demonspawn, was baptized–why did the island care? What was the prophecy that the psychic made about Turniphead? That he _had_ to be raised by his mommy? Or he had to be raised by anyone BUT mommy? Have they ever touched on that further. Aaaw,. Poor doomed Hurley and Libby. Will Hurley EVER find true happiness? Damn…I’d forgotten how VERY HOT Claire was ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/28 "2009-04-12T21:32:43Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Errr…211 > > I want to go to Hawaii–I’ve only swam in the ocean like 2 times in my life and man, that looks cool. > > They never really dealt with Charlie’s “Save the baby!” prophetic dreams (why was the Island sending them to him?)–They stopped after Turniphead, the demonspawn, was baptized–why did the island care? > > What was the prophecy that the psychic made about Turniphead? That he _had_ to be raised by his mommy? Or he had to be raised by anyone BUT mommy? Have they ever touched on that further. > > Aaaw,. Poor doomed Hurley and Libby. Will Hurley EVER find true happiness? > > Damn…I’d forgotten how VERY HOT Claire was The prophecy was very specifically that Aaron “must not be raised by another.” Or, to phrase it differently, “must not be raised by an OTHER.” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/29 "2009-04-12T22:52:08Z")
Unbelievably huge fuck-up in continuity. Anyone remember how “Henry Gale” was discovered? Mia (Crazy French Chick) Furlan\* leads Sayid to “Henry”, who’s upside-down in a net. Crazy French Chick (CFC) has a loaded guy. “Henry”(aka Ben) is _helpless and alone_. CFC could _easily_ shoot him and toss his body in the ocean where it would never be found. And he stole her baby. There’s absolutely no reason that she shouldn’t–she has the means, the motive and the opportunity for a 100% safe way of getting her revenge. So why doesn’t she? \*And goddamn it, she better not be dead–she’s the best actress on the show. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/30 "2009-04-12T23:39:31Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Unbelievably huge fuck-up in continuity. > > Anyone remember how “Henry Gale” was discovered? > > Mia (Crazy French Chick) Furlan\* leads Sayid to “Henry”, who’s upside-down in a net. Crazy French Chick (CFC) has a loaded guy. “Henry”(aka Ben) is _helpless and alone_. CFC could _easily_ shoot him and toss his body in the ocean where it would never be found. And he stole her baby. > > There’s absolutely no reason that she shouldn’t–she has the means, the motive and the opportunity for a 100% safe way of getting her revenge. > > So why doesn’t she? > > \*And goddamn it, she better not be dead–she’s the best actress on the show. She probably didn’t remember that he was the one who took Alex. She has spent 16 years alone in the jungle, remember? And it was dark. Also, it’s CFL for Crazy French Lady. ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/31 "2009-04-12T23:50:31Z")
The producers are aware that people are miffed about Libby’s mental hospital reveal. I’m sure we’ll at least get a nod to that thread at some point, but don’t hold your breath for it coming up in this season. Charlie’s baby obsession on the other hand, I doubt will ever really make sense. The writers obviously did it in the overall storyline to complicate the relationship between Charlie and Claire and make Charlie more of an outsider, and it makes sense on those terms. But insofar as fitting into the larger mythology it doesn’t really make all that much sense. Aside from the baptism, nothing really came of it and you’re right: why would the Island care? And why would it call on Charlie to save the baby if he was going to die long before the baby came under any sort of real threat at all? ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/32 "2009-04-12T23:51:21Z")
Why would she let _any_ Other live? Hee–and Locke, without the Island’s magic powers, is such a maroon. “Don’tcha see, Sayid? To her, ALL of us are ‘Others’.” (Sayid even comments on the dumbness of that with the “They left you (Charlie) strung up by your neck, they did god-knows-what to Claire, they killed a bunch of Tailies…and John’s forgotten that.” ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/33 "2009-04-12T23:52:03Z")
Yeah, I can buy that after like 16 years or whatever Danielle doesn’t remember Ben’s face. It was dark. And she’s nuts. The bigger problem really is her claim about never actually seeing an Other, when she pretty clearly DID see an Other. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/34 "2009-04-12T23:55:02Z")
> [@TooSchoolforCool](#): > > The producers are aware that people are miffed about Libby’s mental hospital reveal. I’m sure we’ll at least get a nod to that thread at some point, but don’t hold your breath for it coming up in this season. > > Charlie’s baby obsession on the other hand, I doubt will ever really make sense. The writers obviously did it in the overall storyline to complicate the relationship between Charlie and Claire and make Charlie more of an outsider, and it makes sense on those terms. But insofar as fitting into the larger mythology it doesn’t really make all that much sense. Aside from the baptism, nothing really came of it and you’re right: why would the Island care? And why would it call on Charlie to save the baby if he was going to die long before the baby came under any sort of real threat at all? My _only_ guess is that Turniphead really _is_ a Demonchild. Maybe the Island was trying to get Charlie to snuff Turniphead because Turniphead really IS a threat to the island? (And geez folks get your continuity right—the second Henry Gale ep, and Turniphead has a rash–Jack says “We’ve been on this island for two months and _no-one’s_ gotten sick :rolleyes:” …um…except for Sawyer who got an infection 3 eps back that was so bad that they thought he was going to die. ) ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/35 "2009-04-13T00:01:02Z")
Stupid theory–could Libby be Juliet’s sister or clone or something? They’re similar looking, they have similar jobs (medical field), similar mannerisms…any way to connect the two? While watching “The Other 48 Days” I kept wondering why Juliette was with the tailies. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/36 "2009-04-13T00:02:42Z")
> [@TooSchoolforCool](#): > > Yeah, I can buy that after like 16 years or whatever Danielle doesn’t remember Ben’s face. It was dark. And she’s nuts. The bigger problem really is her claim about never actually seeing an Other, when she pretty clearly DID see an Other. But Bug-Eyed-Ben? Easy face to remember. Ethan and Godwin were just generic 20-something pretty-boys. Ben’s got a really, really unique face. And the question is still “Why let _any_ Other live?” (Plus, we don’t know she’s nuts–she’s right something like 100% of the time. She’s certainly got a better track record than Locke and Jack put together) ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/37 "2009-04-13T00:12:58Z")
I think Jack meant that no one has contracted any mysterious illness, as promised by Danielle. An infected gunshot wound after floating around in the ocean with it isn’t particularly surprising. 🙂 I admit, it’s not particularly satisfying, but I think if it’s just left at “it was dark when she woke up with a gun pointed on her, and 16 years ago” I won’t really mind. It’s the “I never saw an Other” that’s my problem. Plus, Ben had such a bad hairpiece back then that maybe she was totally distracted by it and couldn’t recognize him without it. Why let any Other live? Because she knew the Lostees, and particularly Sayid, might be able to get information out of him. And at that point, she wanted answers, even if she was too wary to try and act directly. Plus… she let Sayid live, when she thought HE was an Other, right? ---
**Author:** ![TooSchoolforCool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tooschoolforcool/32/19621_2.png) [@TooSchoolforCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TooSchoolforCool)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/38 "2009-04-13T00:24:02Z")
That’s another big open plot thread: what the HELL was the vaccine??? Desmond took it regularly, Clarie and her baby took it regularly, but there’s no clear answer on what it was supposed to accomplish. Was it an attempt to cure pregnant women of their “you die now” illness? Maybe. But then why was Desmond taking it? An inoculation against the contagious craziness that Danielle warns of? Then why don’t the Others bother with it aside from keeping it around? Why doesn’t everyone in Dharma take it instead of just the lonely remainders at the Swan? And don’t we now know that there is no craziness, at least aside from whatever happens to the people that go down into the Temple entrances unaware? Or maybe it was some defense against the gas the Others used in the purge? But that gas was very obviously short-lived, and no one had any time to prepare anything for it as far as we can tell. So what WAS it? Was it all a giant waste of time for Claire and the baby to take it? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/39 "2009-04-13T00:27:32Z")
> [@TooSchoolforCool](#): > > That’s another big open plot thread: what the HELL was the vaccine??? Desmond took it regularly, Clarie and her baby took it regularly, but there’s no clear answer on what it was supposed to accomplish. > > Was it an attempt to cure pregnant women of their “you die now” illness? Maybe. But then why was Desmond taking it? An inoculation against the contagious craziness that Danielle warns of? Then why don’t the Others bother with it aside from keeping it around? Why doesn’t everyone in Dharma take it instead of just the lonely remainders at the Swan? And don’t we now know that there is no craziness, at least aside from whatever happens to the people that go down into the Temple entrances unaware? Or maybe it was some defense against the gas the Others used in the purge? But that gas was very obviously short-lived, and no one had any time to prepare anything for it as far as we can tell. > > So what WAS it? Was it all a giant waste of time for Claire and the baby to take it? I have a feeling that we will find out that one. Perhaps before the grand purge, the other’s released some sort of disease. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859/40 "2009-04-13T00:37:29Z")
I was wondering if The Other’s inablity to have kids was because they’ve been Otherized. We don’t know that no-one else can’t have kids, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-theories-questions-comments-non-episode-specific-and-spoilers-galore/492859.md?page=3)