# LotR--Does Sauron have a body?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [April 29, 2002, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318 "2002-04-29T16:53:45Z")
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### Author:  [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2002, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/1 "2002-04-29T16:53:45Z")
I know that Sauron has been disembodied once or twice in his day (after the downfall of Numenor; after Isildur cut the ring from his finger), but I had always assumed that, by the time he takes possession of Barad Dur again in Frodo’s day, he’s got his body back.
Lately though, I seem to be reading more and more that people think he has no body during the events of LotR. --Exacerbated, I think, by Peter Jackson’s focus on the Eye of Sauron … people seem to think he’s just a big, fiery eye. Me, I always assumed he had a body (doesn’t Gollum, in reference to his torment at Sauron’s hands, mention something like, “there are only four fingers on the black hand … but they are enough”?) but that his piercing lidless Eye was just a notable feature, and one that a ringbearer, fearing exposure and discovery, would be aware of.
So… body or no body?
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### Author:  [@Eran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eran)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2002, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/2 "2002-04-29T19:00:43Z")
He lost his body:
1. In the First Age, when Huan fought him in werewolf form and Luthien sent him back, disembodied, to Morgoth
2. When he drowned in the destruction of Numenor
3. When Isildur cut the ring off of his hand
He regained bodily form sometime after this (I don’t remember the cite) and had it when he was in disguise as the Necromancer in Mirkwood, when he captured Gollum, and lost it when the Ring was destroyed.
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### Author:  [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/3 "2002-04-29T19:38:54Z")
[channelling David Lee Roth]
Oh IIIIIIIIII … ain’t got no booooooody …
[/channelling DLR]
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### Author:  [@king\_of\_spain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/king_of_spain)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2002, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/4 "2002-04-29T20:02:43Z")
If he were still disembodied, what would he _do_ with the Ring? I mean, you only get the Ring’s full power by wearing it, right?
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### Author:  [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)
#### Post date: [April 29, 2002, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/5 "2002-04-29T20:14:43Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Eran \*
> \*\*He lost his body:
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> 1. In the First Age, when Huan fought him in werewolf form and Luthien sent him back, disembodied, to Morgoth\*\*
Actually, Luthien only _threatened_ to let Huan destroy his body. She let him “live” in exchange for mastery of the tower where Beren was held captive. After Huan released Sauron, Sauron turned into a vampire bat and flew off to lick his wounds and muck up some other place.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [April 30, 2002, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/6 "2002-04-30T03:30:52Z")
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> Actually, Luthien only _threatened_ to let Huan destroy his body.
Not only that, but she very strongly implied that if she had let Huan finish him off, it would have been permanent. The daughter of Melian does not use words like “forever” lightly.
I do seem to recall that he was re-embodied by the time of the War of the Ring, but I can’t remember where it was said explicitly.
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### Author:  [@Jeremy\_s\_Evil\_Twin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeremy_s_Evil_Twin)
#### Post date: [April 30, 2002, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/7 "2002-04-30T07:30:00Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Sauron \*
> \*\*[channelling David Lee Roth]
> Oh IIIIIIIIII … ain’t got no booooooody …
> [/channelling DLR] \*\*
Oh God, that was awful. Funny as hell, but awful. 😃
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### Author:  [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)
#### Post date: [April 30, 2002, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/8 "2002-04-30T08:22:33Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Jeremy’s Evil Twin \*
> \*\*
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> Oh God, that was awful. Funny as hell, but awful. 😃 \*\*
I always thought that was Marty Feldman…
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### Author:  [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)
#### Post date: [April 30, 2002, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/9 "2002-04-30T15:04:56Z")
It was **Louis Prima** ’s song. DLR copied it note for note.
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### Author:  [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)
#### Post date: [April 30, 2002, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/10 "2002-04-30T15:43:16Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Jeremy’s Evil Twin \*
> \*\*
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> Oh God, that was awful. Funny as hell, but awful. 😃 \*\*
Thank you! I’m here all week! Be kind to your waitstaff!
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### Author:  [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)
#### Post date: [April 30, 2002, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-does-sauron-have-a-body/106318/11 "2002-04-30T19:08:52Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Sauron \*
> \*\*
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> Thank you! I’m here all week! Be kind to your waitstaff! \*\*
I always forget to go straight to the source …