# LotR: FotR DVD News! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 27, 2002, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423 "2002-03-27T18:49:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/21 "2002-03-28T02:24:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Truth Seeker \* > \*\*Who wants to say it? \*\* Me! Me! I do! Can I? Huh? Can I? OK!! **Whooooosh!!!** ---
**Author:** ![screech-owl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@screech-owl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/screech-owl)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/22 "2002-03-28T02:31:52Z")
Personally, I would love to see outtakes from the movie(s): missed cues, props that fall apart, and general behind-the-scenes humor. So sue me, I like when things go wrong. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/23 "2002-03-28T02:42:11Z")
I have the passage right here! \*“For Arrowroot,” she said, “crown jewels,” and she handed the surprised king a diamond-shaped pear and a plover’s egg the size of an emerald. “For Frito, a little magic,” and the boggie found in his hand a marvelous crystal globe filled with floating snowflakes. She then gave each of the other members of the company something rich and strange: to Gimlet, a subscription to Elf Life, to Legolam, a Mah-Jongg set, to Moxie, a case of Cloverine Brand Salve, to Pepsi, a pair of salad forks, to Bromosel, a Schwinn bicycle, and to Spam a can of insect repellent.\* And later, of course, _As the ravenous creature closed in, Frito’s last memory was of Spam frantically schpritzing insect repellent into Schlob’s bottomless gullet._ ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/24 "2002-03-28T04:26:22Z")
> **[The Digital Bits - Home](https://thedigitalbits.com/)** > > The Digital Bits is the Internet’s leading source for DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and 4K Ultra HD industry news, reviews, analysis, and expertise. Founded in 1997, it’s THE place for cinephiles to celebrate their love of film. (you may need top click on the “One ring to rule them all” link .But since the special extended version includes an entirely new cut of the film, everything that will be included on that later edition is being custom created specifically for that release, for a more adult audience and to go MUCH deeper into the making of the film trilogy than what was seen in any of the TV specials. So the normal DVD will have stuff that the special DVD doesn’t. Brian ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/25 "2002-03-28T04:32:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Threadkiller \* > **Just once I would like to hear a director criticize an actor or himself for lousy on-set decisions. On the other hand it _is_ kind of neat to learn about the decision making process that went into a scene.** Actually, that’s the stuff I like. I always schedule a run through the commentary before I return a DVD. But this one couldn’t come close the the Spinal Tap commentary for trenchant observations. ---
**Author:** ![Mikahw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Mikahw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikahw)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/26 "2002-03-28T09:06:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tanstaafl \* > \*\*Does the November 12 release have the extra material from the August 6 one? > \*\* No, according to [The Digital Bits](http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents) ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/27 "2002-03-28T11:08:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fingolfin \* > \*\* > > Err a, “whooshing”? Not sure what you mean by that Toadie. 😉 > > \*whoosh Pronunciation Key (hwsh, wsh, hwsh, wsh) also woosh (wsh, wsh) > n. > A sibilant sound: the whoosh of the high-speed elevator. > A swift movement or flow; a rush or spurt. \* > :wally \*\* The problem with exposing an apparent whooshing is that it is altogether possible that the alleged wooshee may in fact be attempting to whoosh any helpful third party who tries to point out the original woosh. That is, there is a substantial risk that an apparently wooshed party may indeed feign ignorance to extend the humourous effect of the purported whooshing post. I’ve been burnt once before. But at the risk of being singed once more… To say someone has been whooshed is to say that something has gone over their head (which itself is a simple metaphor for someone failing to understand an obvious joke). In this case, **Tretiak** (“the whoosher”) asked a facetious question. At the small risk of being whooshed myself, I think it’s fair for a reader to assume that the whoosher here has actually heard of _LoTR_. His post was not a serious one. However, **Fingolfin’s** reply appears to treat this facetious question with serious regard (providing, for what it’s worth, a very good answer). He appears to misread the humour in the whooshing post; the metaphor of it flying over his head is therefore drawn. Whoosh! ---
**Author:** ![screech-owl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@screech-owl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/screech-owl)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/28 "2002-03-28T11:29:28Z")
[screeching halt] > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Threadkiller \* > **…Just once I would like to hear a director criticize an actor or himself for lousy on-set decisions. On the other hand it _is_ kind of neat to learn about the decision making process that went into a scene…** Get the “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” DVD with two!!! commentaries: 1. The real directorial commentary by Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones (IIRC); and 2. the whiny commentary by John Cleese, Eric Idle and Michael Palin (especially about Michael’s mud-eating scene during the “Bring out yer dead!” section.) [/screeching halt] ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/29 "2002-03-28T11:58:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Dropzone does have a point that all DVD special features tend to be self congratulatory. Just once I would like to hear a director criticize an actor or himself for lousy on-set decisions. On the other hand it is kind of neat to learn about the decision making process that went into a scene. Check out the commentaries on the three Evil Dead movies. “We used a pencil stabbing into an apple to do the sound for that. Because we thought getting stabbed in the ankle would sound like an apple. What do you expect. We were young and stupid.” Actually, those are by far the best four commentaries I’ve heard so far, (There were two with ED1) though I haven’t heard the Spinal Tap one . . . – “What kind of sick creature could get pleasure from this kind of game?!” ---
**Author:** ![Winkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/41988e/32.png) [@Winkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winkie)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/30 "2002-03-28T12:59:04Z")
Okay. I’ll admit to it. I will purchase the August-release DVD. I will purchase the November-release DVD. It is quite likely that I will do the same for the other two movies, and then purchase the super-duper collector’s edition boxed set at the end. I am a marketing person’s dream. ---
**Author:** ![Fingolfin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eada6e/32.png) [@Fingolfin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fingolfin)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/31 "2002-03-28T13:33:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Narrad \* > \*\*The problem with exposing an apparent whooshing is that it is altogether possible that the alleged wooshee may in fact be attempting to whoosh any helpful third party who tries to point out the original woosh. That is, there is a substantial risk that an apparently wooshed party may indeed feign ignorance to extend the humourous effect of the purported whooshing post. > > I’ve been burnt once before. > > But at the risk of being singed once more… > > To say someone has been whooshed is to say that something has gone over their head (which itself is a simple metaphor for someone failing to understand an obvious joke). In this case, **Tretiak** (“the whoosher”) asked a facetious question. At the small risk of being whooshed myself, I think it’s fair for a reader to assume that the whoosher here has actually heard of _LoTR_. His post was not a serious one. > > However, **Fingolfin’s** reply appears to treat this facetious question with serious regard (providing, for what it’s worth, a very good answer). He appears to misread the humour in the whooshing post; the metaphor of it flying over his head is therefore drawn. > > Whoosh! \*\* Aaaah…Well, I really didn’t believe that Tretiak had not heard of Lord of the Rings! Cmon people, is there anyone on this planet who has not heard of Lord of the Friggin’ Rings? Plus, didn’t you see my little wink at the end of my post? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DeadlyAccurate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@DeadlyAccurate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadlyAccurate)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/32 "2002-03-28T14:18:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Just once I would like to hear a director criticize an actor or himself for lousy on-set decisions. On the other hand it is kind of neat to learn about the decision making process that went into a scene. Listen to the commentary for _Mystery Men_. My husband and I sat in awed silence as we listened to the director criticize the actors, the FX people, everybody he could. I told him (hubby, not the director) I’d be surprised if anyone wanted to work for him again after that complete lack of professionalism. I don’t expect everyone on a movie set to kiss each other’s ass (even though that’s usually what happens), but on the other hand, I would no more want my coworkers to publicly criticize me than they would. It’s just courtesy. You keep that sort of stuff away from the customer. Oh, and **screech-owl** , I love outtakes too. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/33 "2002-03-28T15:19:29Z")
Yeah, but which character was it, and in which of the three movies, who enjoyed the Sean Astin character’s music-making enough to say, “Play it again, Sam!”? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/34 "2002-03-28T15:23:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ura-Maru \* > \*\* though I haven’t heard the Spinal Tap one . . . \*\* The boys stay in character for it. ---
**Author:** ![Threadkiller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@Threadkiller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Threadkiller)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/35 "2002-03-28T15:37:53Z")
**Throatshot Ura-Maru screech-owl** Thanks for pointing out that not all directors make the commentary out to be a massive love-fest. I had pretty much given up on the commentary for that very reason. The really sad thing is that I own _Mystery Men_ but have never bothered to listen to what I figured would be the director praising the production team to the skies for a widely pandered movie. Somehow this has restored my faith in the future of the human race. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2002, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/36 "2002-03-28T15:59:28Z")
You have to hear the commentary of Battlefield Earth. My favorite moment is when the Director Proclaims [Paraphrase]This film will one day be seen as a great unappreciated work[/Paraphrase] You can actually listen to the shared delussion these people had of the importance or even quality of that Turd ball. Really facinating. Commentary tracks worth listening to: DAS BOOT: ives real insite into the film itself and the grander scope of the project THIS IS SPINAL TAP: Hillarious, it’s like watching a sequel. STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE: Not the audio commentary but the written Commentary by Okuda. A geek’s wet dream of factoids! BATTLEFIELD EARTH: OK most of it is boring and oddly the director SPENDS MORE TIME TALKING SET DESIGN, then the actual acting or set ups of the shots… makes you wonder. But it’s the lofty way they speak about the film taht really can entertain. Any others… oops this is turning into a Hijack… please forgive But don’t forget to answer 😉 ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/37 "2002-03-29T01:30:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Threadkiller \* > Just once I would like to hear a director criticize an actor or himself for lousy on-set decisions. I’ve heard it. Get _The Sopranos: Complete First Season_ DVD and listen to the commentary for the first episode, “The Sopranos.” David Chase says that he regrets a particular music choice he made for the scene where Tony and Christopher run down … I mean meet a business associate for coffee. 🙂 On second thought, I guess that doesn’t count as an “on-set decision.” ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/38 "2002-03-29T02:33:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dropzone \* > \*\* > The boys stay in character for [the Spinal Tap commentary]. \*\* Actually, in addition to the DVD, I have a Quicktime CD-ROM of Spinal Tap with _other_ commentaries on it. There’s a crew commentary, which is mainly Rob Reiner, and a cast commentary where they talk (out of character) about how they came up with the ideas, the jokes, etc. It also came with a Spinal Tap guitar pick. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ScriptAnalyst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@ScriptAnalyst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScriptAnalyst)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2002, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423/39 "2002-03-29T18:58:07Z")
The extra thirty minutes of footage on the DVD is not news, really. Peter Jackson discussed this while doing publicity appearances after the film’s Oscar nominations, as you can see by checking out this: [http://nemo.spoutnic.com/page.asp?id=111](http://nemo.spoutnic.com/page.asp?id=111) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-fotr-dvd-news/100423.md?page=1)