# LotR Question (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 28, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343 "2003-12-28T01:02:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/61 "2004-01-01T21:00:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrFidelius \* > \*\*WITCH KING: Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me! > > DERNHELM: But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund’s daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.\*\* _That’s_ what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/62 "2004-01-01T21:00:57Z")
And one point is that no _man_ defeated Nazghul 1. It took a combination shot from a Hobbit and a woman. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/63 "2004-01-01T21:01:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrFidelius \* > **I will smite you, if you touch him.** “Éowyn will kill him if he tries anything…” Sorry. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NoCoolUserName](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5fc32e/32.png) [@NoCoolUserName](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NoCoolUserName)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/64 "2004-01-01T21:47:44Z")
But in the movie she didn’t laugh. That is my very favorite part! ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/65 "2004-01-01T23:30:12Z")
I finally saw ROTK last night. I was disappointed that PJ didn’t even attempt to do the Dernhelm thing. We knew it was Eowyn all along. I don’t know about anyone else but I was quite surprised when she revealed herself the first time I read the book (of course, I was like 12). ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/66 "2004-01-01T23:33:53Z")
Actually it is Glorfindel the Elf-lord from Rivendell that tells us that “not by the hand of man will he [the Witch King] fall.” At least, that what we are told in Appendix A. Let’s also not forget that Eowyn calls the Witch King a “foul dwimmerlaik.” ---
**Author:** ![5\_time\_champ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/278dde/32.png) [@5\_time\_champ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5_time_champ)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/67 "2004-01-01T23:44:52Z")
Good point **LL** , I don’t understand why **PJ** even bothered having Eowyn take off her helmet, since we knew all along that she was going to battle. The surprise was completely eliminated. I read the book when I was 15 and was just as surprised as you were as to the identity of Dernhelm. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343/68 "2004-01-01T23:46:18Z")
\*Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace! \* You really can’t say things like that in a film and keep a straight face… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-question-spoilers/221343.md?page=3)