# LOTR - What if Shelob had killed Frodo? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 20, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433 "2012-02-20T17:36:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/101 "2012-02-23T02:56:46Z")
Waldo - what u did wasn’t a thread jack . It is in the purpose & nature of Tolkien threads to wander and devolve from the OP. it is the beauty of Tolkien to have discussions like this 60 years after the book was published. Wonder what books of today will be disciussed 60 years hence. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/102 "2012-02-27T05:18:27Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > …One time I went to a Pink Floyd laser show. I got there a bit late, and ended up sitting immediately in front of one of the huge amps. It was very uncomfortable. Every beat went through my body. I couldn’t have ingored it if my life had depended on it, and I sometimes thought it did. I think the Ring at the fires of Oroduin was like that amp to the 10th power to anyone holding it… It actually goes to 11. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/103 "2012-02-27T15:06:11Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > It actually goes to 11. Apparently Nigel Tufnel’s amp is greater than the One Ring. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/104 "2012-02-27T15:28:38Z")
But The Ring’s so powerful that its 10 is like the amp’s 11. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/105 "2012-02-27T18:25:50Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > But The Ring’s so powerful that its 10 is like the amp’s 11. The amp goes to _11_! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/106 "2012-02-27T19:47:07Z")
No, the Ring goes to eleventy-one. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/107 "2012-02-27T20:00:03Z")
Well, Bilbo certainly did, and at least a little bit more. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/108 "2012-02-28T02:45:44Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Waldo - what u did wasn’t a thread jack . It is in the purpose & nature of Tolkien threads to wander and devolve from the OP. it is the beauty of Tolkien to have discussions like this 60 years after the book was published. Wonder what books of today will be disciussed 60 years hence. Hopefully more Game of Thrones and less Twilight. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/109 "2012-02-28T03:39:49Z")
I’ll just add that, IIRC, Faramir is another being that (in the books) resists the lure of the ring. He ponders about it in the same enclave where he first meets with Gollum, Sam, and Frodo. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/110 "2012-02-28T04:32:49Z")
But he never actually has it. It’s one thing (though still admirable) to refuse to take it in the first place: It takes a good and strong person to do that, but it’s doable. It’s another entirely to have it and then give it up: Almost nobody is capable of that. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2012, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/111 "2012-02-28T07:30:40Z")
> [@Oy](#): > > The amp goes to _11_! That’s a big number. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2012, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433/112 "2012-02-29T02:26:56Z")
Does the amp go to 1111!!!11? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lotr-what-if-shelob-had-killed-frodo/613433.md?page=5)