# Louie Season 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2014, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783 "2014-05-06T05:34:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/21 "2014-05-13T18:54:42Z")
I think there’s truth in what she says. Some guys look at a girl - especially a prospective gf and not just a hookup - and consider factors other than sheer physical attraction. “What would other people think of us” is one of them and it weighs more heavily (pardon the pun) for some than others. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/22 "2014-05-13T19:26:41Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > I have no idea how often men are having secret sex with fat women, but if we assume this premise is true, then I can’t disagree with Vanessa’s conclusion. No it is not, i don’t see why “hot enough to fuck” has to equal “hot enough to date”. At least for me there is a very vast chasm between those two categories. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/23 "2014-05-13T19:55:19Z")
> [@Orr\_G](#): > > …I swear that was Ellyn Burstein stuck on the elevator, but her IMDB page had no mention of Louie, and I couldn’t find a cast list for the episode. Can anyone help me out? Burstyn’s name _was_ in the credits; it’s easy to miss names there because the _Louie_ credits are smallish, down in the bottom left part of the screen–and L.C.K. fills the rest of the screen with things we want to look at. Sneaky. I agree with you about the disturbing nature of the storyline with the younger daughter. But of course L.C.K. may simply drop this element and never refer to it again (it’s been known to happen!) ---
**Author:** ![CheapBastid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8baadc/32.png) [@CheapBastid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CheapBastid)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/24 "2014-05-14T07:09:50Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > [QUOTE=madmonk28] > Do you think that we are meant to believe the events of “Model” as they were presented? My wife and I were debating whether the reveal was going to be that it was part of a maturbatory fantasy brought on by the “back massager” he bought. The episode had a surreal quality. All I know is continuity is something Louis CK observes only as it suits him. FWIW, I think the events of “Model” are real, and that they’ll never be referred to again. [/QUOTE] It was an invented story he told the waitress to explain his broken nose and to pick her up. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/25 "2014-05-14T12:30:49Z")
I guess that’s possible but I don’t remember anything in the episode that requires any thing other than a straightforward reading of what happened. ---
**Author:** ![malaka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@malaka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malaka)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/26 "2014-05-14T12:48:14Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > No it is not, i don’t see why “hot enough to fuck” has to equal “hot enough to date”. At least for me there is a very vast chasm between those two categories. Did anyone else notice that the selectively bleeped the word “fuck”? When the girl used it mid conversation in the first episode, it was not bleeped. But, when Louie yelled it on the subway in the second episode, it was bleeped. Must be related to “intent” or something? ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/27 "2014-05-14T14:59:49Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Burstyn’s name _was_ in the credits; it’s easy to miss names there because the _Louie_ credits are smallish, down in the bottom left part of the screen–and L.C.K. fills the rest of the screen with things we want to look at. Sneaky. Thank you. I decided to check IMDB again, and her role on Louie has subsequently been added. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/28 "2014-05-14T15:08:58Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I guess that’s possible but I don’t remember anything in the episode that requires any thing other than a straightforward reading of what happened. The happy smile on his face when he finishes telling the story to the girl who was not interested in him at all at the beginning who was now totally into him. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/29 "2014-05-14T15:33:11Z")
I just thought that the story had a ethereal, dream like quality to it that made it seem like a fantasy (I’m behind on episodes, so I haven’t seen the latest). At best, I think Louie can be viewed as an unreliable narrator. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/30 "2014-05-14T15:48:01Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The happy smile on his face when he finishes telling the story to the girl who was not interested in him at all at the beginning who was now totally into him. The happy smile tells me he’s happy that she’s now into him. I don’t see how the smile says anything about whether the other things in the show actually happened or not. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/31 "2014-05-14T15:51:08Z")
In fact, quite the opposite, the look on his face seemed a little surprised as well. That wouldn’t indicate to me that he’d had a plan going in to telling the story. I mean it could be he told the story just to mess around, then was surprised at the effect it had, but isn’t the simplest reading just that the things happened, he recounted them, got an unexpected positive response, and was happy and a little surprised at that result? ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/32 "2014-05-14T16:35:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > No it is not, i don’t see why “hot enough to fuck” has to equal “hot enough to date”. At least for me there is a very vast chasm between those two categories. What makes someone hot enough to fuck but not date? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/33 "2014-05-14T16:57:24Z")
“Crazy” would do it. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/34 "2014-05-14T17:35:10Z")
Not just crazy, but also not interested in the same things that would have to be dealt with over the length of dating: politics, animal ownership, different values of any sort that would make repeated encounters and any length of time not horizontal unpleasant to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/35 "2014-05-14T17:44:26Z")
And not just that but the simple fact is that there are different standards for a life partner than for someone who just fulfills a need. There is no reason at all that the standards for one should be the same as for the other. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/36 "2014-05-14T18:48:55Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > What makes someone hot enough to fuck but not date? For me, the bar is much lower for the former than the latter. Also, I agree that Louie is just spinning a yarn to impress the waitress with respect to the seinfeld-model fiasco. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/37 "2014-05-14T19:01:09Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > “Crazy” would do it. > [@Sean\_Factotum](#): > > Not just crazy, but also not interested in the same things that would have to be dealt with over the length of dating: politics, animal ownership, different values of any sort that would make repeated encounters and any length of time not horizontal unpleasant to deal with. > [@DigitalC](#): > > And not just that but the simple fact is that there are different standards for a life partner than for someone who just fulfills a need. There is no reason at all that the standards for one should be the same as for the other. Note everyone is mentioning a different type of personality, which is not Louie’s problem with Vanessa. They get along amazingly well. This means Louie isn’t deterred by Vanessa’s personality, and doesn’t mind having sex with fat girls. What else is left? Their long term goals don’t match? That never became an issue on their date. I think the show made it pretty obvious why Louie turned down Vanessa without explicitly having Louie confirm it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/38 "2014-05-14T19:24:10Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Note everyone is mentioning a different type of personality, which is not Louie’s problem with Vanessa. They get along amazingly well. I was answering the question from my perspective - I mean, I _am_ dating a fat girl :p. Can’t speak for Louie’s character. Where he’s concerned it seems Vanessa’s analysis was spot on : he is/was insecure about being seen with a fattie and/or scared of “dating down” as Louis CK put it in one of his stand-ups. I do wonder whether he ultimately took her hand because she awkwarded him into it and it was easier than to keep listening to her pain, or because he really got over his weak shit. ---
**Author:** ![Gus\_Gusterson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@Gus\_Gusterson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gus_Gusterson)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/39 "2014-05-15T13:43:28Z")
> [@malaka](#): > > Did anyone else notice that the selectively bleeped the word “fuck”? When the girl used it mid conversation in the first episode, it was not bleeped. But, when Louie yelled it on the subway in the second episode, it was bleeped. Must be related to “intent” or something? I noticed that. Louis has said that he has an agreement with Fox that he can do anything he wants on the show but he will bleep out “fuck” (and, presumably, any variations), “motherfucker”, and “cunt”. My guess is that he asked for and received permission to have this one line not be bleeped because it was so important to the story. Nothing else would have worked in its place. ---
**Author:** ![malaka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecc23a/32.png) [@malaka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malaka)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783/40 "2014-05-15T14:33:51Z")
> [@Gus\_Gusterson](#): > > I noticed that. Louis has said that he has an agreement with Fox that he can do anything he wants on the show but he will bleep out “fuck” (and, presumably, any variations), “motherfucker”, and “cunt”. My guess is that he asked for and received permission to have this one line not be bleeped because it was so important to the story. Nothing else would have worked in its place. Interesting! Thanks! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/louie-season-4/687783.md?page=3)