"Love" in action and victims of ex-gay brainwashing

It still bothers me, though. I know this is not Tranquility Bay, but I read through all the rules and regs, and it seems to me that their “counseling” could turn out to be much like T. Bay, in that they push you and push you to give the answers they want, trying to get you to come up to the mark…and then they move the mark. Also, I wonder if the program schedule is finite, or if they can keep people there indefinitely.

Bottom line is that no one should have to be reNeducated for being gay. If parents have a problem adjusting, there’s P-FLAG. It’s their problem, not their kid’s.

Of course it bothers me too – actually, it scares me shitless for him, and I wish I could make it all go away, preferably with an armoured vehicle. But I do hold out hope for him.

Yet one more reason why I ask to be delivered from this state.

Oh, I wasn’t belittling your post, matt! I’m just absorbing this. I hadn’t known that the anti-gay crusade had so much muscle.

You miserable Pharisees. When a child asks you, “Who is my savior?”, you tell him that his savior is a demon hiding in the bushes by the Gates of Hell, hissing at passers-by who break your rules. You are Hell’s whores.

You blind hypocrites. When a son honors his parents with truthfulness, you turn him over to the torturers, sending him to a Saudi Arabian prison in your own backyard, where books are banned, and the despotic oversee the deprived. You are the powers of darkness.

You petty microbes. You make up rules and claim to speak for God, even while telling your children that He is a monster who hates them for who they are. You do not speak for God, but for His enemy. You are Satan’s soldiers.

You snotty troglodytes. You treat God’s Word as though It were a mill stone, which you place upon the shoulders of others, while you yourselves are unwilling to bear its weight. You should know that God’s Word is Alive, and has commanded you to love. You are vandals of the spirit.

You undiscerning idiots. You pick at tiny imperfections until they become festering boils. You shut Heaven’s door to others, while you yourselves would walk right in with the blood of children on your shoes. You are uninvited worms.

You are pigs in the garden. You are butchers in the playground. You are storm troopers in the safehouse. You are roadblocks on the path to God. If any man wonders who killed Christ, he need only look at you.

Very nice, Lib.

(I ‘heard’ it in a fine Pentecostal preacher’s voice. Perfect.)

Anyone for sending a bit of Matthew 23 and Matthew 25 to these folks? Here’s a selection from those sections:

It’s interesting that this is one of the few times Jesus refers to damnation, not to mention His take on making converts.

These folks make me want to apologize for being a Christian. :frowning:

CJ

Not to mention my coding! :eek:

(Sorry, I know this is a serious subject, but my mind turns to what really goes on when the lights go out in Cabin Six. If it is anything like summer camps I knew…)

Dear God. These people are evil.

Not ‘well meaning, but wrong’. Evil.

I am utterly sickened, beyond my ability to express it

Refuge’ My hairy ass!
Curse them.

I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that about their parents–I have no reason to believe that they don’t truly love their son and think they’re doing the best thing for him. It makes stuff like this all the more tragic.

OK, in light of the magnitude of fucked-up-ness of this whole scenario, this is a teeny, tiny, more minor than minor issue, but what the heck is up with this?

I mean, I get the “no provocative attire” rule, and get that A&F and CK have cultivated provocative images, but come on–are they the only makers of hoochie wear? Or are they the only two “hip” brand names these people know?

(Somebody needs to send that boy some CK socks.)

Sigh . . . I joke, but this makes me so very, very sad.

My thought exactly. :smiley: Glad to see I’m not the only sick one here. How on earth are we ever going to straighten them out if we don’t bring in any strippers?

On a more serious note, let’s not get too hostile to the parents. The fact that they are trying to “help” their son as opposed to the more common tactic of simply kicking him out of the house says that they at least care (in their own highly delusional way) about him.

Save the hate for the camp. It deserves it far more.

I would think it has to do with the homoerotic imagery these two companies (especially A&F) use to sell their products. There are a couple boycott campaigns run by churches and idiot outfits like American Decency against these companies for using sex to sell their products.

They don’t bother me, though – the A&F catalog is as close to free porn as you can get in the regular mail.

Where in the bible does it say that women should shave their legs and armpits twice-weekly?

Are lesbians really that hairy??

If I may quote from Giletticus 3:14

Ohhhhh, I get it–wearing A&F and CK clothing makes you gay. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I guess you make a good point, but again, surely those aren’t the only two clothing companies that use homoerotic imagery . . . ? And it seems to me like if you’re that paranoid about homoerotic imagery, you could find it in a Sears catalog (I mean people of the same sex, hanging out and posing together in their underwear . . . )

I think there’s also a hefty dose of, “They will cure my son and then I can live out my life comfortable in the knowledge that I didn’t fuck up.” Sending their kid to one of these places absolves them of being “bad parents who raised their kid wrong.” They DIDN’T raise the kid wrong and they’re NOT bad parents, but why else would a child from a loving, Christian household be gay?

I think it’s pure selfishness on the part of the parents, and I don’t think “they are trying to do the right thing” excuses them in the slightest.

Christians who hate, Republicans who spend, freshly born again Democrats…WHAT do I have to do to move to Canada, again?*

  • Can’t at the moment, or I’d honestly be looking into it. I’m terrified of living in a theocracy.

Thanks. I needed that. :slight_smile:

Oh, that poor, poor boy. If I could, I’d take him in myself-I just want to cry.

These camps sound like something out of Soviet Russia-didn’t they have “re-education camps” where they sent dissenters?

I hope these places can be shut down, and the people responsible charged with child abuse.