# Lucas changes Star Wars again for Blu-Ray **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708 "2011-08-31T01:28:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/1 "2011-08-31T01:28:13Z")
Most of the changes are actually good, fixing some errors from the DVD. However(and this is confirmed), Darth Vader now cries “Noooooo!” when he picks up the Emperor and throws him down the shaft. I’m not kidding. [Read and watch the clip here.](http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51019) [Or, just watch the clip here.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGaSxSuB2vY&feature=player_embedded) Oh, and Yoda is CGI in Phantom Menace now. At least they didn’t take out his puppet from Empire and Jedi(sure that is coming some day). [To be fair, they did fix the light saber colors in a lot of scenes, something they screwed up on the DVD.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXzFQUKddF8) And they fixed the Williams score sound levels too. Yeesh. I really only watch the theatrical versions now. I won’t even buy the Blu-Ray. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/2 "2011-08-31T01:29:16Z")
[Here is the Yoda comparison if you car](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOqzHTWK8B4&feature=related)e. I never watch Phantom Menace, so I don’t mind either way really. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/3 "2011-08-31T01:35:52Z")
I’m another who will only watch the theatrical release versions of the first 3 movies, and another who won’t be giving that \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Lucas another dime by buying the Blu-Ray. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/4 "2011-08-31T01:40:00Z")
I should note that the video in that Youtube is not Blu-ray video. He took the audio from the Blu-ray and put it with the DVD video. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/5 "2011-08-31T01:45:02Z")
yeah, stuff like this is why i still watch the movies on vhs. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/6 "2011-08-31T01:50:50Z")
Why’d he do that? Will some people buy a new version because it has the ‘nooo!’ on it? I doubt it. Anyone who wants the extra, which is a small number of people, will get it without paying. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/7 "2011-08-31T01:57:14Z")
[George Lucas](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/73/20110128203738!Trollface.png) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/8 "2011-08-31T02:07:52Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Why’d he do that? Will some people buy a new version because it has the ‘nooo!’ on it? I doubt it. Nah, they’ll buy it because it’s a 1080p Blu Ray. The changes are largely incidental. I clung to my letterboxed VHS tapes for years, but the fact is they’re unwatchable now because of their own flaws, even beyond the serious limitations of NTSC/VHS. (Such as big clunky boxes of differing contrast around ships in composite-shot space battles made more apparent by transfer to video and even more apparent by display on better equipment.) I think the updated versions have their place, but I’ll hold out for a bundle that includes sweet transfers of the original theatrical versions before I replace my DVDs. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/9 "2011-08-31T02:27:59Z")
I really don’t have a huge problem with it. I think the first “no” is absolutely fine, and the second one isn’t needed…but not near as cheesy as I thought it would be (figured it would be more like the end of Revenge…) I really like the CGI Yoda, I thought the “new” puppet Yoda looked _horrible_. I am buying the original trilogy the day it comes out and I’m damn proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/10 "2011-08-31T02:31:14Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Nah, they’ll buy it because it’s a 1080p Blu Ray. The changes are largely incidental. > > I think the updated versions have their place, but I’ll hold out for a bundle that includes sweet transfers of the original theatrical versions before I replace my DVDs. Most are minor changes, but the big ones are really annoying. I’m wondering if he took Hayden Christensen out of Jedi and put back in the “old” Anakin. I don’t think he’ll release decent transfers of the original. At best, perhaps another crappy copy like he did on DVD. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/11 "2011-08-31T02:42:29Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Nah, they’ll buy it because it’s a 1080p Blu Ray. The changes are largely incidental. > > I clung to my letterboxed VHS tapes for years, but the fact is they’re unwatchable now because of their own flaws, even beyond the serious limitations of NTSC/VHS. (Such as big clunky boxes of differing contrast around ships in composite-shot space battles made more apparent by transfer to video and even more apparent by display on better equipment.) > > I think the updated versions have their place, but I’ll hold out for a bundle that includes sweet transfers of the original theatrical versions before I replace my DVDs. Ah, this is a Blu Ray version that there wasn’t before? I’ve never had Blu Ray, but I’d assumed that there was already a SW Blu Ray and this was just another Blu Ray. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/12 "2011-08-31T02:53:56Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Ah, this is a Blu Ray version that there wasn’t before? I’ve never had Blu Ray, but I’d assumed that there was already a SW Blu Ray and this was just another Blu Ray. Yeah, this is the first release of the movies on Blu-Ray. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/13 "2011-08-31T03:10:39Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yeah, this is the first release of the movies on Blu-Ray. Ah, OK. That’s a bit different. But still… it would have cost him money to add the ‘noooo!.’ Anyone who wanted the Blu Ray version would have bought it anyway. Adding in a whole extra line? Anyone who’s that geeky about SW isn’t going to want the extra line. Extra CGI, maybe, but changing lines? No. Even if it did bring him in an extra few million, does he have no artistic credibility at all? Does he really think that the audience need to see DV saying ‘nooo’ to indicate that he’s finally gone against the emperor despite it being really obvious to 5-year-olds? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/14 "2011-08-31T03:27:49Z")
It has nothing to do with any of that. It’s just the George Lucas _cannot stop himself_ from fucking around with these things. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/15 "2011-08-31T03:32:08Z")
Gotta wonder if he has obsessive compulsive disorder. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/16 "2011-08-31T03:34:59Z")
I’ve said this before. Imagine if George Lucas had died in 1980 and somebody else had taken over control of the Star Wars property. And he made all of the exact same decisions that Lucas himself ended up making. This hypothetical person would be the most hated guy in all of SF fandom for the way he had desecrated George Lucas’ legacy. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/17 "2011-08-31T03:37:03Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Ah, OK. That’s a bit different. But still… it would have cost him money to add the ‘noooo!.’ Anyone who wanted the Blu Ray version would have bought it anyway. Adding in a whole extra line? Anyone who’s that geeky about SW isn’t going to want [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=14202592the](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=14202592the) extra line. Extra CGI, maybe, but changing lines? No. > > Even if it did bring him in an extra few million, does he have no artistic credibility at all? Does he really think that the audience need to see DV saying ‘nooo’ to indicate that he’s finally gone against the emperor despite it being really obvious to 5-year-olds? I don’t get what he’s thinking. Spielberg has really gone against this lately. He used to make minor changes to his movies, but he has switched his view to go against Lucas now. [You can read about it here.](http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49921) > [@](#): > > Steven Spielberg: George goes his own way and I respect him for it, but my new philosophy about this is to let sleeping dogs lie…When people ask me which E.T. they should look at, I always tell them to look at the original 1982 E.T. If you notice, when we did put out E.T. we put out two E.T.s. We put out the digitally enhanced version with the additional scenes and for no extra money, in the same package, we put out the original ‘82 version. I always tell people to go back to the ’82 version…And I think the other good thing is that they understand when they see a movie and they suddenly see something that could have been done much better today and could have been corrected in the DVD/Blu-Ray transfer, they really appreciate seeing the strings attached. > > If somebody put out George Pal’s War of the Worlds and took the strings off the machines I’d be very upset. When that machine crashes in downtown Hollywood, and you see the strings going from taut to slack, that’s the thing that allows me to both understand this movie is scaring the hell out of me and at the same time this movie is a creation of the human race. > > That little taut-to-slack moment of those wires on that wingtip makes the original George Pal War of the Worlds work for me. It embraces my fears and it also alleviates them in the same breath. Lucas needs to come to his senses like this. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/18 "2011-08-31T03:52:23Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’ve said this before. Imagine if George Lucas had died in 1980 and somebody else had taken over control of the Star Wars property. And he made all of the exact same decisions that Lucas himself ended up making. > > This hypothetical person would be the most hated guy in all of SF fandom for the way he had desecrated George Lucas’ legacy. You mean if someone had taken over during the making of The Empire Strikes Back? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t get what he’s thinking. Spielberg has really gone against this lately. He used to make minor changes to his movies, but he has switched his view to go against Lucas now. [You can read about it here.](http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49921) > > Lucas needs to come to his senses like this. I think you’re probably right in that he’s an author who just can’t let his creation live on its own merits. Anyone remember that episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Hal recovers his skills as a painter and then changes and changes and changes the painting so much that it literally falls apart in front of him because he’d painted it over so often? Authors need to know when to stop. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/19 "2011-08-31T03:56:57Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Anyone remember that episode of Malcolm in the Middle where Hal recovers his skills as a painter and then changes and changes and changes the painting so much that it literally falls apart in front of him because he’d painted it over so often? Authors need to know when to stop. Films are never finished. They are released. Pretty sure Lucas is the source of that quote. It’s crazy, though. If you want to fix it…fine. But let us see the one that was in theaters. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708/20 "2011-08-31T04:08:00Z")
I have the original trilogy on VHS and am hanging on to those puppies forever! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucas-changes-star-wars-again-for-blu-ray/594708.md?page=2)