# Lucifer, Season Three **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818 "2017-10-02T18:07:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/101 "2017-12-12T13:58:18Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Shocking almost no matter me, Pierce is the Sinnerman. Though making him Kane/Cain was not what I expected, and is there a connection with the wings / Devil face? > > Brian The revelation as “Cain” was certainly a surprise to me. It will be interesting to see how this scenario plays out. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/102 "2017-12-12T14:41:37Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Shocking almost no matter me, Pierce is the Sinnerman. Though making him Kane/Cain was not what I expected, and is there a connection with the wings / Devil face? > > Brian Wow, auto-correct fail. shoould be “Shocking almost no one” or something like that. Brian ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/103 "2017-12-12T17:43:08Z")
This episode was bugging me for the first 25 minutes or so, like the fact that Chloe would, I assume very illegally, kidnap a prisoner. The whole scheme was ridiculous. And Sinnerman toying with them with the drowning woman was a well-worn trope. But when the Pierce was in on the kidnapping things became a lot more interesting. And the ending with Lucifer stabbing Pierce really surprised me. This is the sort of TV show that I love. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/104 "2017-12-12T17:55:29Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > This episode was bugging me for the first 25 minutes or so, like the fact that Chloe would, I assume very illegally, kidnap a prisoner. The whole scheme was ridiculous. And Sinnerman toying with them with the drowning woman was a well-worn trope. But when the Pierce was in on the kidnapping things became a lot more interesting. And the ending with Lucifer stabbing Pierce really surprised me. This is the sort of TV show that I love. Yeah, I had a lot of trouble with the first part of the show too. Everyone was acting wildly out of character (don’t even get me started) and it was frustrating me a lot. Also, if the woman kidnapped herself, how the hell did she tie herself up to cinderblocks and toss herself into the water like that? It didn’t make sense. I normally like Ella, but she was driving me crazy last night. Annoying as hell. I hope they tone her down a bit going forward. Trixie and Mom were fun. Apropos of nothing, I don’t see where all the women on the show are going gaga over Pierce and how “handsome” he is. I think he’s funny-looking, and I can’t imagine how anybody would look twice at either him or Dan when Lucifer is around. But I realize that’s just me and my tastes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/105 "2017-12-12T18:46:50Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > The revelation as “Cain” was certainly a surprise to me. It will be interesting to see how this scenario plays out. Discovering he was Cain redeemed the twist I saw about four episodes ago. It was blazingly obvious that he was behind all the Sinnerman drama. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/106 "2017-12-12T18:58:05Z")
So are we supposed to believe that Lucifer never met Cain once in the past few thousand years? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/107 "2017-12-13T01:58:41Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Discovering he was Cain redeemed the twist I saw about four episodes ago. It was blazingly obvious that he was behind all the Sinnerman drama. Agreed. The real surprise would have been if Pierce wasn’t the Sinnerman, but making him Cain was a good twist to make up for it. > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > So are we supposed to believe that Lucifer never met Cain once in the past few thousand years? Why would he? If Cain was doomed to walk the Earth, and Lucifer Morningstar was, until recently, holding court in Hell, there would have been no reason for them to meet, though maybe he should have recognized the Mark of Cain sooner. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/108 "2017-12-13T14:18:36Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Apropos of nothing, I don’t see where all the women on the show are going gaga over Pierce and how “handsome” he is. I think he’s funny-looking, and I can’t imagine how anybody would look twice at either him or Dan when Lucifer is around. But I realize that’s just me and my tastes. 🙂 I gotta confess, I don’t get it, either. But I ain’t a woman! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/109 "2017-12-13T14:51:24Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Why would he? If Cain was doomed to walk the Earth, and Lucifer Morningstar was, until recently, holding court in Hell, there would have been no reason for them to meet, though maybe he should have recognized the Mark of Cain sooner. But Lucifer has met various historical figures while they were still alive (mentions on the show include IIRC turning Oscar Wilde and having an autographed copy of _Hamlet_) so this isn’t his first trip upstairs. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/110 "2017-12-13T17:17:42Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > But Lucifer has met various historical figures while they were still alive (mentions on the show include IIRC turning Oscar Wilde and having an autographed copy of _Hamlet_) so this isn’t his first trip upstairs. But there are a lot of people (now) and no specific reason for him to go looking for Cain - he’s already being punished. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/111 "2017-12-13T17:44:26Z")
> [@simster](#): > > But there are a lot of people (now) and no specific reason for him to go looking for Cain - he’s already being punished. There have always been lots of people. But yeah, no reason to go searching for Cain just to have a beer. ---
**Author:** ![Tapiotar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3be4f8/32.png) [@Tapiotar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapiotar)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/112 "2017-12-13T18:30:45Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Apropos of nothing, I don’t see where all the women on the show are going gaga over Pierce and how “handsome” he is. I think he’s funny-looking, and I can’t imagine how anybody would look twice at either him or Dan when Lucifer is around. But I realize that’s just me and my tastes. 🙂 Not just you and your tastes. Dan is about as bland as a man can be, and Pierce just has big biceps and a big chest. So what? His face is not interesting, and he doesn’t seem to have any personality, either. You might be annoyed by Lucifer’s self-centeredness, and adolescent attitudes, but his looks and personal presence make every other man fade into nothing. Except for Amenadiel. D. B. Woodside’s eyes are amazing, and his smile is stunning. But still, Tom Ellis, every time. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/113 "2017-12-13T18:46:05Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > There have always been lots of people. But yeah, no reason to go searching for Cain just to have a beer. Well, at the time Cain was ‘most famous’ - there were only 4 -strike that - 3 - people. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/114 "2017-12-13T18:50:03Z")
Everyone forgets Seth. Also, there is a big difference in knowing about Cain and thinking the guy he just met **is** Cain. And he guesses PDQ when he needs to. Cain obviously found out about Lucifer and recognised/identified him. So they would be acquainted. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/115 "2017-12-13T18:54:24Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Everyone forgets Seth. Who? ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/116 "2017-12-13T18:55:24Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Well, at the time Cain was ‘most famous’ - there were only 4 -strike that - 3 - people. Eh, if you go by the Book of Genesis Cain was already married at or soon after the time he got exiled, so apparently there were a bunch of people around who were not characters in the narrative. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/117 "2017-12-13T19:16:41Z")
But why the whole charade? Can’t he just show up one day and state to Lucifer, “ …’Sup. I’m Cain. Here’s the mark”. Not like Lucifer will disbelieve him. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/118 "2017-12-13T19:51:31Z")
Someone was directing the Sinnerman who gouged his eyes out, but I’m not convinced it was Cain, no matter what Lucifer concluded. Sinnerman’s whole game was to get Lucifer to kill him, thus breaking Dad’s number 1 rule. We can conclude that this would lead to Very Bad Things. Cain showed up and shot Sinnerman, preventing the killing. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/119 "2017-12-13T20:25:39Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Cain obviously found out about Lucifer and recognised/identified him. So they would be acquainted. Well, he does crave the limelight and go by his given name, so I’m sure Lucifer Morningstar has shown up in more than a few gossip rags over time. It’s not like he hides whom he is. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818/120 "2017-12-13T21:24:21Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > Not just you and your tastes. Dan is about as bland as a man can be, and Pierce just has big biceps and a big chest. So what? His face is not interesting, and he doesn’t seem to have any personality, either. You might be annoyed by Lucifer’s self-centeredness, and adolescent attitudes, but his looks and personal presence make every other man fade into nothing. > Except for Amenadiel. D. B. Woodside’s eyes are amazing, and his smile is stunning. But still, Tom Ellis, every time. I’m wondering – am I the only one who would like to see Lucifer sans “stubbly beard”? That look – all dressed up, but unshaven – just seems “off” to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lucifer-season-three/797818.md?page=7)