# Luigi Mangione something something Morality something something Billionaires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285 "2025-06-06T20:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/61 "2025-06-07T00:11:36Z")
[Moderating] Split from the What were you Thinking? thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/62 "2025-06-07T00:13:56Z")
Maybe now I should be “The Most _Extreme_ Poster on the Board”! _Extreme posting! Extreme criticism of billionaires! Extreme denunciations of exploitation! Extreme thread spinoffs!_ EXTREME MILD JOKES AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER POSTERS! ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/63 "2025-06-07T00:16:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > If abusers of women or children believed that abusing women or children increased their chances of being abused themselves, that would be good! What, like prison rape? Personally I prefer justice to mob retribution, but you do you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/64 "2025-06-07T00:18:46Z")
_Extreme straw men!_ Awesome! Keep it going! ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/65 "2025-06-07T00:21:05Z")
That kind of is how criminal justice works, except that we have a trial first to make sure the person is guilty. Mob ire is rarely proportionate or well directed. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/66 "2025-06-07T00:22:30Z")
_Extreme non sequiturs!_ Tubular! Totally radical! ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/67 "2025-06-07T00:26:58Z")
What did you mean by your statement, then? Abusers are unlikely to fear abuse unless some of them do indeed suffer it. And it’s unlikely to change their behaviour unless it is a consequence of their own actions. Many abusers have indeed previously suffered abuse, and it doesn’t stop them. So who is creating this fear and how? God? Karma? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/68 "2025-06-07T00:28:23Z")
> [@What were you THINKING?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5082): > > It would be good if the wealthy recognized that if they exploit more people, and cause more suffering, their chances of being murdered goes up; and if they reduce suffering and exploit fewer people, their chances of being murdered go down. _Why_ are they realizing this? Because God reached into their hearts and softened their hearts, reverse pharaoh style? Because they watched a movie about the French revolution? If so, great. Moved to new thread. Because our country has deteriorated to the point where they genuinely fear for their lives? If so, that’s _very bad_. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/69 "2025-06-07T00:30:27Z")
This is similar to @Babale’s point about the billionaires. Billionaires fearing for their lives pretty much implies a lot of extremely undesirable things have happened and are happening in our society. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/70 "2025-06-07T00:31:29Z")
This might be an interesting question, but it’s separate from my stated opinion. I haven’t said anything about the why, very deliberately. I’ve just said that it would be a good thing. And I’m pretty sure you agree. I’m pretty sure everyone but these billionaires and other sociopaths agree, in fact. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/71 "2025-06-07T00:34:35Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Because our country has deteriorated to the point where they genuinely fear for their lives? Their actions will be the cause of the country deteriorating to the point where they genuinely fear for their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/72 "2025-06-07T00:37:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This might be an interesting question, but it’s separate from my opinion. If we’re speaking of spherical cows, I guess it is. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I haven’t said anything about the why, very deliberately. The _why_ is extremely important. Would world peace be a good thing? Yes or no? One word answers only. What if the reason that there’s world peace is that white supremacists killed everyone else? Oh, suddenly it’s not good? I’m pretty sure you agreed earlier? > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And I’m pretty sure you agree. I definitely don’t agree that every scenario in which billionaires are fearing for their lives and therefore changing their behavior is a good thing. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m pretty sure everyone but these billionaires and other sociopaths agree, in fact. If you think your extreme position is one that everyone but evil billionaires and sociopaths agree with, your judgement seems lacking. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/73 "2025-06-07T00:40:40Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I definitely don’t agree that every scenario in which billionaires are fearing for their lives and therefore changing their behavior is a good thing. Another _extreme_ straw man! Totally bitchin’! I’ll give a little hint - right now, right at this moment, with nothing else changing in this world, it would be a good thing if… ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/74 "2025-06-07T00:43:04Z")
Power corrupts. Countess Báthory Erzsébet is an exception that proves the rule. She was one of the few rich and powerful criminals who was made to face justice. It’s distressing to contemplate how many others must have escaped justice and no one has ever heard of their crimes. We’ve seen by now plenty of examples of massive coverups of crime that were exposed only because the victims were able to make their voices heard. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/75 "2025-06-07T00:43:38Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > _Why_ are they realizing this? He did give a why: > [@Identity, politics, and the in-fighting of the left](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identity-politics-and-the-in-fighting-of-the-left/843199/495): > > That means decent society needs to see them for what they are - the enemies of decency. It’s not exactly clear how that makes billionaires and CEOs fear for their lives, but IIRC, in other threads he advocated for the Democrats to blame problems on rich people, in their messaging. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/76 "2025-06-07T00:44:50Z")
Are you purposefully being obtuse? Yes, the mild way you’re phrasing this now, after you e backpedalled, is not extreme. What yous aid earlier: > [@Identity, politics, and the in-fighting of the left](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/identity-politics-and-the-in-fighting-of-the-left/843199/495): > > I’m taking about the forces that have shaped society for generations. That’s not the poor, or minorities, or immigrants. That’s the fatcats - billionaires and corporate CEOs. Using bigotry to manipulate and maintain their power and control. > > I want them to be afraid - so afraid that they embrace progressive policies because they come to believe the alternative is the guillotine. That means decent society needs to see them for what they are - the enemies of decency. At least until our society is significantly remade for the better. Absolutely was. I’ve explained the difference multiple times. If you’re still not interested in engaging, I’m confident it’s _not_ because I’ve failed to clearly state my position. I’ll repeat my initial statement: DemonTree was not unreasonable for calling your initial, quite extreme, statement extreme. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/77 "2025-06-07T00:45:18Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > It’s distressing to contemplate how many others must have escaped justice and no one has ever heard of their crimes. Cough Epstein files cough. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/78 "2025-06-07T00:47:59Z")
_Extreme_ misinterpretation! _Extreme_ insistence at mind reading, and _extreme_ ignoring of my repeated explanations of my intentions for _my own words_! _Dope as FUCK! This thrill ride will never end!_ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/79 "2025-06-07T00:49:05Z")
Cool, I’m glad to know where we stand. I’m sure you’ll now start telling people the only reason I disagree with you is because I’m a bad faith troll, too. Have fun with that; I’m done engaging. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/80 "2025-06-07T00:49:49Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’ll repeat my initial statement: DemonTree was not unreasonable for calling your initial, quite extreme, statement extreme. He could just admit he was being hyperbolic and didn’t really mean it, but no. Maybe in another 4 years… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285.md?page=5)