# Luigi Mangione something something Morality something something Billionaires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285 "2025-06-06T20:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/81 "2025-06-07T00:50:20Z")
_Extreme_ bitterness! _Extreme_ straw men rejected! _Extreme_ butthurt! Totally bogus! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/82 "2025-06-07T00:52:57Z")
Right now, right at this moment, with no other changes in the world, with regards to billionaires who exploit and cause mass suffering, I want them to be afraid - so afraid that they embrace progressive policies because they come to believe the alternative is the guillotine. That means decent society needs to see them for what they are - the enemies of decency. At least until our society is significantly remade for the better. _Extreme_ progressive economic policies! _Extreme_ turn in the public sentiment against exploitative billionaires! _Nothing has ever been more extreme than this!_ Only truly _extreme_ posters will believe this! Do you dare be this _EXTREME_? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/83 "2025-06-07T01:01:54Z")
_Extreme_ gratitude towards all who have made this thread possible! _Extreme_ fatigue from a long week! _Extreme_ moderation from @Miller! _Extreme_ bedtime! _Extreme_ reading of the new Michael Connelly novel! _Extreme_ goodnight! ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/84 "2025-06-07T01:04:31Z")
Oh look, the two most hateful bigots on the Dope have joined forces! May they last as long as Musk and Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/85 "2025-06-07T02:05:18Z")
I’ve never seen as much public bipartisan agreement on anything in my LIFE, as there was for what Luigi did. That’s all I got for ya. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/86 "2025-06-07T02:20:34Z")
Extreme Andy is unhinged and entertaining! ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/87 "2025-06-07T03:01:56Z")
Extreme Andy is so unhinged he’s a window. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/88 "2025-06-07T03:06:51Z")
“Take the locks off the doors! Take the doors themselves off of their hinges!” Who said that? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/89 "2025-06-07T03:49:18Z")
“Through me the afflatus surging and surging“ and you sleep in the guest room tonight ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/90 "2025-06-07T04:27:20Z")
Random: Happy Cake Day, @Slithy_Tove. Oh frabjous day! I want to take this moment to tell you I very much enjoy your posts, your ideas, and your facility with language. Thanks for keeping shit interesting. ETA: This is a total drive-by, not an endorsement of anything said in this Pit thread! ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/91 "2025-06-07T05:09:01Z")
Well golly, thank you dear. I guess it’s better to be a jabbering horse’s ass; clever enough to hoof-out semi-cogent post but not smart enough to then click on the trash can icon rather than reply, than a Niobe who’s turned herself to stone yet weeps tears over the sorrows sent by the Gods. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/92 "2025-06-07T05:35:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Yeah, I’m sorry, I don’t think that’s bad faith manipulation.“I want billionaires to be afraid of a violent uprising, up to and including the guillotine” IS an extreme thing to say. Are you claiming it _isn’t_? Not really, no; it seems to be a widespread sentiment. Well, to be strictly accurate the sentiment is less “they should be _afraid_ of the guillotine”, than it is “they _should be_ guillotined”. Merely saying that the billionaires should _just_ be afraid is actually pretty mild in comparison. > [@Babale](#): > > I disagree with the idea that things that inspire fear in billionaires are going to lead to that outcome, rather than, say, all our class warfare and bloody revolution. Which, to be clear, are things that I would also consider bad. We already _have_ all-out class warfare; it’s just almost entirely one-sided, the wealthy beating down everyone else as hard as they can with effectively no resistance. They literally rape and pillage at will with no consequences for themselves. Luigi Mangione stands out not because of his accomplishments, but because he’s such a solitary example. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/93 "2025-06-07T05:42:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > We already _have_ all-out class warfare; it’s just almost entirely one-sided, the wealthy beating down everyone else as hard as they can with effectively no resistance. They literally rape and pillage at will with no consequences for themselves. The rich are scheduled to get, yet another, tax cut while the poors are scheduled to get their food cut. The upside of the guillotine is that it doesn’t spoil the flavor of the meat. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/94 "2025-06-07T09:37:26Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Take the locks off the doors! Take the doors themselves off of their hinges Ah, right, thanks. I looked up the correct quote. “Unscrew the locks from the doors ! Unscrew the doors themselves from their jambs ! ” ― Walt Whitman, _Leaves of Grass_ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/95 "2025-06-07T13:04:54Z")
_Extreme_ good morning everyone! After running into some billionaires and sternly reminding them of their duties and responsibilities towards the rest of humanity, as well as the history demonstrating the greater risk of danger they face if they violate those duties and responsibilities, I went to an _extreme_ grocery store, had _extreme_ waffles, and am about to take my son to _extreme_ tae-kwon-do class! I hope those billionaires consider what I say and improve their behavior! That would be a good thing, at least for those of us who are _extreme_! _EXTREME!_ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/96 "2025-06-07T14:30:44Z")
It’s pretty frustrating to waste a bunch of time and effort trying to communicate with someone, only to find out they had no interest in reaching an understanding, just in entertaining themselves. If that’s the type of discourse you want to engage in, suit yourself, but I won’t be making the mistake of wasting my time for your entertainment in the future. It’s pretty fucking rich for you to call anyone else ‘bad faith’, DemonTree included. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/97 "2025-06-07T14:44:33Z")
You’re so full of shit (_Extreme_ shit!). I explained what I meant, using many different words and phrases and explanations, over and over and over again and you kept insisting that I was lying (or mistaken?) about my own words and my own intentions (_Extreme_ intentions!). And then you act all butthurt when, having tried to explain my own words and my own intentions literally about a dozen times, I start to amuse myself, because it was indeed pretty ridiculous (_Extreme_ silliness!). _Extreme!_ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/98 "2025-06-07T14:48:41Z")
But I’m happy to try it yet again. Here goes: Right now, right at this moment, with no other changes in the world, with regards to billionaires who exploit the vulnerable and cause mass suffering, I think it would be good for society and for the world if they (these particular billionaires) were to feel afraid - so afraid that they embrace progressive policies because they believe the alternative is the guillotine (or other personal danger against them). That means decent society should see them for what they are - the enemies of decency. At least until our society is significantly remade for the better. Please be very specific, only using these specific words, in that specific context - what is extreme about this sentiment that is specifically only about that group of billionaires who exploit the vulnerable and cause mass suffering? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/99 "2025-06-07T14:55:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Please be very specific, only using these specific words, in that specific context - Why would I do that when the statement under discussion is the one you made earlier, using _different_ words? I didn’t say this new statement with new words was extreme, so I don’t know why you’re demanding I defend that stance. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luigi-mangione-something-something-morality-something-something-billionaires/1019285/100 "2025-06-07T14:56:13Z")
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