# Luka Rocco Magnotta **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 31, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671 "2012-05-31T17:04:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/61 "2012-06-05T20:02:19Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Except that the evidence they had even before the plea deal was even tabled proved that she was just as culpable as Bernardo was for the same crimes that sent him away for life. As long as they got they white dude, that’s all that was important in the eyes of the Canadian legal system. > > My point is, he will have undoubtedly have an opportunity of trying to get out of prison after X amount of years. Which I think is wrong when it comes to the Canadian version of a “life sentence”. > > Big deal some might say, the bureaucratic process is part of the system that we call fair justice. But what if it was your family member that was the victim of this heinous crime and you have to go through this hearing X amount of years from now. Except, not. The reason she got a plea deal was that they didn’t have enough evidence against Bernardo to convict without her testimony. They didn’t find the tapes of the crimes until well after the conviction. They may have had enough evidence in the Scarborough rapes to convict him on that, but not the murders. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/62 "2012-06-06T00:09:55Z")
[Human hand and foot mailed to two schools in Vancouver.](http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120605/bc_suspicious_packages_human_remains_120605/20120605/?hub=CalgaryHome) They don’t know yet if Magnotta is responsible for them. Dare I say I hope so? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/63 "2012-06-06T02:52:53Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > [Human hand and foot mailed to two schools in Vancouver.](http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120605/bc_suspicious_packages_human_remains_120605/20120605/?hub=CalgaryHome) They don’t know yet if Magnotta is responsible for them. Dare I say I hope so? Ah, well, those may have been mine. :o ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/64 "2012-06-06T03:17:22Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > [Human hand and foot mailed to two schools in Vancouver.](http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120605/bc_suspicious_packages_human_remains_120605/20120605/?hub=CalgaryHome) They don’t know yet if Magnotta is responsible for them. Dare I say I hope so? I hope so, too. We first heard of this from a neighbor who works for Canada Post - they shut the whole depot down where the packages were sorted. I am curious about the timeline - if they were mailed by Magnotta, the very latest they could have been put in the post was eight days ago. I know regular post can be _up to_ nine days, but when I send parcels regular post to Québec, I generally expect them to be there within a week. The clearest connection they have with Magnotta to Vancouver is he owed on a car loan out here. Why local schools? Obviously, really hoping there’s only one victim and one perpetrator, but… WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/65 "2012-06-06T06:00:02Z")
he also mailed a human foot to the headquarters of the Canadian Conservative Party. So I have a question about that, related to Canadian law. Here in Minnesota, as a Party Treasurer, the Campaign Finance Board requires me to report all contributions to the party, including in-kind (non-monetary) donations of goods or services. So is the Conservative Party required to report this donation? And how do they set a value on it? (I have seen various online articles about the value of a human body, but the amounts stated vary widely. And wouldn’t just a single foot, without the rest of the body, have greatly reduced value? Perhaps that would reduce the value to below the reporting minimum.) ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/66 "2012-06-06T06:15:57Z")
The package was addressed to the prime minister, so I don’t think it counts as a contribution to the party. (If it did, it would depend on how long the package was–the going rate is a dollar a foot. 😕 ) ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/67 "2012-06-06T15:42:25Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > I hope so, too. We first heard of this from a neighbor who works for Canada Post - they shut the whole depot down where the packages were sorted. > > I am curious about the timeline - if they were mailed by Magnotta, the very latest they could have been put in the post was eight days ago. I know regular post can be _up to_ nine days, but when I send parcels regular post to Québec, I generally expect them to be there within a week. > > The clearest connection they have with Magnotta to Vancouver is he owed on a car loan out here. Why local schools? > > Obviously, really hoping there’s only one victim and one perpetrator, but… WTF? I’m curious about the timeline too. Maybe some kid ripped off a morgue or medical lab or something. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/68 "2012-06-07T03:10:43Z")
Looks like they are the missing body parts: [Luka Magnotta: Body parts sent to Vancouver schools headed back to Montreal](http://www.theprovince.com/news/Luka+Magnotta+Body+parts+sent+Vancouver+schools+headed+back+Montreal/6739427/story.html#ixzz1x4b2nF2C) > [@](#): > > Police are all but certain the human remains found in two Vancouver schools are the missing hand and foot of alleged killer Luka Magnotta’s victim, Lin Jun. > … > “We’ve got all the reasons to believe it could be linked to the homicide in Montreal,” said Montreal police commander Ian Lafrenierer in an interview with the CBC, adding DNA testing must be completed for final confirmation. However, the head is apparently still missing. I hate to think who’s going to get that surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/69 "2012-06-07T11:51:01Z")
I’m glad the police gave us a ‘heads up’ on that one… ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/70 "2012-06-07T16:50:47Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Thank you, **Ms Robyn**. > > Well, we had this conversation just a few months ago, in the Canadoper thread: > > **Ibanez** did not respond to that post. > > We can of course disagree as to the efficacy of the Canadian life sentence for murder; that’s a reasonable matter for public debate. However, I think **Ibanez** should stop confusing it with the dangerous offender status, which has much lower parole ineligibility periods. (7 years initially, until the first review, then every 2 years thereafter for dangerous offender, compared to 25 years for first degree murderers). That’s why someone convicted of first degree murder cannot be declared a dangerous offender; the sentence for first degree murder is more onerous than the dangerous offender sentence. > > As well, **Ibanez** , since this is factual dispute, if you think that it is easy for someone convicted of murder to make parole after 25 years, you should provide something more than just your opinion that so-and-so will get out. What are the numbers that you think suggest the National Parole Board releases murderers willy-nilly? Mea culpa, didn’t see that in the other thread. Thanks for the info. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/71 "2012-06-07T17:07:49Z")
Well I’m never shipping body parts through the Canadian post. Takes forever! ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/72 "2012-06-07T22:20:36Z")
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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/73 "2012-07-06T13:18:58Z")
Well, they’ve found the head. [Police Confirm Head Found in Montreal Park near Luka Rocco Magnotta’s Apartment Belonged to Jun Lin](http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/04/police-confirm-head-found-in-montreal-park-near-luka-rocco-magnottas-apartment-belonged-to-jun-lin/) ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/74 "2012-07-07T15:55:04Z")
He’s in detention awaiting trial next year? Why so long? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/75 "2012-07-07T16:18:52Z")
Under Canadian law, a trial on a murder charge normally involves a preliminary inquiry before a Provincial Court judge, to confirm that the Crown has enough evidence to warrant a full trial - the decision to go to trial on a murder case is not left solely to the decision of the police and the Crown prosecutor. The prelim also gives the defence an opportunity to assess the evidence against the accused, the credibility of witnesses, and so on. If the Provincial Court judge commits him to stand trial, the trial will be in the Superior Court of Quebec. That would likely be next year. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/76 "2013-06-02T10:36:30Z")
Out of curiosity I checked out the website he posted the video to. The thing I was fascinated by was the strange congruence of seemingly unrelated ideologies. Apparently, people into gore are also Holocaust deniers, and anti circumcision. I can see how the latter two are related to each other but… I know that Holocaust denial is rooted in antisemitism, but it at least has the façade of disbelief in evil on such a large scale. But the whole website is basically photographic proof of large scale inhumanity. It’s an odd pairing. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671/77 "2013-06-02T15:09:31Z")
Update: last month, he was committed to stand trial on first degree murder charges. Trial date has been set for September, 2014, because the court calendar in Montreal is full and that was the earliest available block of two months, the expected length of the trial. Defence counsel is musing on challenging the committal on first degree, arguing that the evidence produced by the Crown at the prelim only supports a second degree charge. [Luka Magnotta trial date set for fall 2014](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/04/29/montreal-luka-magnotta-trial-date.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/luka-rocco-magnotta/623671.md?page=3)