# Lust4Life, you seem to have an issue with me. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 14, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713 "2011-08-14T19:15:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/1 "2011-08-14T19:15:47Z")
So over in the London Riot thread, Lust4Life makes [the following statement](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14135406&postcount=323): > [@No-one pitted the fuckers burning London down yet?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-pitted-the-fuckers-burning-london-down-yet/591998/323): > > **GARYKumquat** > > In a thread in the Pit some time ago ,I didn’t wish to reveal a persons name (who had been killed in an accident , **Gary** said that if I.M.d him with the name then he wouldn’t reveal it and carry on the debate. > > I didn’t want to reveal the name because it would have caused a lot of hurt to the family of the deceased. > > **GARY KUMQUAT** then I.M.d me to say that if I mentioned the person involved then he would post it. > > This even though, he’d given his word that he wouldn’t. > > Sorry, but he’s a particulary loathsome piece of filth, and anything he says is a none starter. > > You are a pathetic , lieing little coward, a cocksucking little nobody . > > Of course if this upsets you then feel free to I.M. me to meet up . > But you g/f tells me that you won’t turn up. > > You have got to be the biggest coward, and liar that I have ever come across. > > You really are filth. Well gosh. Such venom. Such anger. All over a thread from 2+ years ago. That’s really something. We must have had quite the heated exchange, right? Except we didn’t, did we? Now I really do hate to kiss and tell, but you’ve not really left me much choice but to actually post the messages we exchanged. First, and apologies for the tedium, here’s the thread that started it all: Lust4Life’s [pitting of cyclists](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=505437) and his claim that “what has brought me to actually making this pitting is reading in my local paper that one of these characters has just got himself killed by running into the side of an articulated lorry.” Now, a few people including myself found that unlikely, and asked for a link. He refused for fear of somehow upsetting the relatives. So, I offered: > [@](#): > > tell you what. PM me the date and name, and I’ll quite happily publicly post an apology for doubting you if I’m wrong. If you don’t trust me (I’ll forego swearing on the soul of relatives) we can select a neutral UK based third party such as jjimm or one of the other regulars and they can verify it for you. There you go, no chance at all of upsetting surviving family then. Lust4Life pms me, and confirms the incident he was referring to. This prompts my PM: > [@](#): > > I can confirm I will not forward this pm to anyone else, or mention it in the thread unless you raise it there. However, I also have to repeat that this case in no way supports the contention in your OP. It reveals only projection by you. > > The description of the incident was… > > …For you to look at these points, and somehow decide that (per your OP) the deceased “got himself killed by running into the side of an articulated lorry”, and then accuse him of being a danger to other road users, probably suffering from mid-life crisis, and summarise with “I dont mind them killing themselves but I do mind them getting other people killed” - it is a conclusion with no basis in fact. > > As stated above, I have no intention of repeating your message in the boards. However, if you should say in the thread that you have sent me details of the incident, then I will have to state why I do not think it supports your OP, and will probably have to explain why. WHich is the only PM I’ve ever sent to Lust4Life, and seems polite and reasonable to me. In fact, judging by L4L’s response, he thought so too: > [@](#): > > Thanks again for your P.M.,its trite I know but while I disagree with you I respect your opinion(Even though its WRONG you spawn of hell,damn you damn you damn you) > > Have a good 'un > L4L So colour me slightly confused when 2 1/2 years later, you appear to have rather changed your position. So, Lust4Life, any odds of an explanation. I mean, the obvious one that springs to mind is you’re a lying sack of shit who’s been nursing some weird form of grudge for a considerable time, and finally decided the time was right to seek revenge. However, being the kind soul that I am, I thought you might like a chance to explain yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/2 "2011-08-14T19:45:39Z")
The answer is simple: L4L is a troll. He’s a really bad troll, which is cause for at least some amusement. It seems that his MO is to project any number of motivations and intentions upon things and get all worked up about it when people start pointing out inconsistencies and flaws in his reasoning. It’s best to just ignore him. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/3 "2011-08-14T19:48:41Z")
Why was the notion of a cyclist having a fatal collision with a truck so implausible? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/4 "2011-08-14T20:02:13Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Why was the notion of a cyclist having a fatal collision with a truck so implausible? That notion isn’t implausible. L4L’s contention though was that the cyclist caused the crash: “what has brought me to actually making this pitting is reading in my local paper that one of these characters has just got himself killed by running into the side of an articulated lorry.” Cycling deaths in the UK are fortunately uncommon. Cycling deaths caused by the cyclist are incredibly uncommon. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/5 "2011-08-14T20:22:44Z")
I could buy a cyclist getting killed through his own inattention or recklessness, or a combination of the cyclist’s inattention and the driver’s inattention. Heck, a couple of years ago, a cyclist ran a red light and slammed into the side of my father’s car. I was in the passenger seat at the time. The jerk got back on his bike and took off, leaving my dad with a broken side mirror. Jerk. As an incidental note, he was a Hassidic Jew and wearing the traditional black garb. While riding a bike. At night. Shalom, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/6 "2011-08-14T20:26:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Why was the notion of a cyclist having a fatal collision with a truck so implausible? Its not a situation you normally run into… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/7 "2011-08-14T20:32:14Z")
Nor will he, ever again. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/8 "2011-08-14T20:37:58Z")
Over in another thread L4L accused someone of lying to get attention for claiming to know three people that committed suicide. Meh, just another doper to not take seriously anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Toucanna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Toucanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toucanna)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/9 "2011-08-14T21:35:38Z")
1. “In a thread in the Pit some time ago, I didn’t wish to reveal a persons name (who had been killed in an accident)…because it would have caused a lot of hurt to the family of the deceased.” **Lust4Life** 2. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > Over in another thread L4L accused someone of lying to get attention for claiming to know three people that committed suicide.{snip} The first item puts the second item into an interesting context. I’m glad I stopped by. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/10 "2011-08-15T05:55:45Z")
> [@Toucanna](#): > > 1. “In a thread in the Pit some time ago, I didn’t wish to reveal a persons name (who had been killed in an accident)…because it would have caused a lot of hurt to the family of the deceased.” **Lust4Life** I think it’s worth posting his actual statement at the other time, so others may learn from L4L’s noble outlook: > [@Some Street Cyclists](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-street-cyclists/484797/142): > > Actually I’ve thought long and hard about this and have decided not to. > The man who got himself killed does have family and having him identified publicly as a cause of a pitting would be hurtful in the extreme to those mourning his death. > > Its not THEIR fault. > > Now you can take this as an act of moral cowardice on my part(though I believe that to do otherwise would be kicking people when they’re down) or you might share my opinion that I’m showing some sensitivity to those who are going through a pretty bad time at the moment. > > You have my word on my mums soul that the incident did indeed take place. > > If you believe that I would lie on my mums soul then there is no further point in carrying on this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/11 "2011-08-15T09:26:56Z")
Then I don’t get what _either_ of you are on about - it’s plausible to me that a careless cyclist caused his own death _and_ I don’t see how the family could be hurt by having the name of the cyclist cited on a message board after it had been cited in the press. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/12 "2011-08-15T11:32:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Then I don’t get what _either_ of you are on about - it’s plausible to me that a careless cyclist caused his own death _and_ I don’t see how the family could be hurt by having the name of the cyclist cited on a message board after it had been cited in the press. Try reading the first quote in the OP, there’s a dear. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/13 "2011-08-15T11:47:09Z")
I don’t get why the name of the cyclist was important to you. So far on my scoreboard, you’re both idiots. Maybe he was a little bit idiot-er, but you started this thread so it’s a tie. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/14 "2011-08-15T12:19:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I don’t get why the name of the cyclist was important to you. So far on my scoreboard, you’re both idiots. Maybe he was a little bit idiot-er, but you started this thread so it’s a tie. I started the thread, because 2 years after the exchange in question, he made the post above. You know, the bit where he alleges I’m "a pathetic , lieing little coward, a cocksucking little nobody ". Oh, and does the rather cute “meet me if you dare” thing. Internet hard man, Gotta love it. Now you might think that I’m out of order asking him to specify which incident he was referring to during the original thread. Judging by the way a few other people asked the same question, it doesn’t seem like that unreasonable thing to ask, but your mielage may vary. But I would have thought it was fairly understandable why, having not thought about the exchange for the last 2 years, I find his outburst from the weekend worth querying. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/15 "2011-08-15T12:50:41Z")
I would just like to point out that I am in no way involved in this discussion. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/16 "2011-08-15T13:14:41Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > I would just like to point out that I am in no way involved in this discussion. > Carry on. Foxtrot? Towers? That you? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/17 "2011-08-15T13:20:03Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > I started the thread, because 2 years after the exchange in question, he made the post above. You know, the bit where he alleges I’m "a pathetic , lieing little coward, a cocksucking little nobody ". Oh, and does the rather cute “meet me if you dare” thing. Internet hard man, Gotta love it. Well, I guess you showed HIM, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/18 "2011-08-15T13:31:24Z")
He appears to be mentally unstable. Witness the bizarre exchange in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=12721777#post12721777) thread, for instance. That’s ignoring his incessant hints that he was a member of the SAS. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/19 "2011-08-15T13:42:40Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, I guess you showed HIM, huh? I’m not sure what your problem is in following the thread. **Lust4Life** harboured some bizarre grudge from a misrepresented PM exchange over two years ago and brought it up out-of-the-blue in a completely unrelated thread in order to accuse **Gary Kumquat** of being a loathsome piece of filth, etc. The Pit Thread is occurring now because **Lust4Life** resurrected the strange exchange just a few days ago in said unrelated thread. This is just one instance in a pattern of behaviour that’s honestly pretty bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713/20 "2011-08-15T13:52:23Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > That’s ignoring his incessant hints that he was a member of the SAS. Oh lordy, please do point us towards an example. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lust4life-you-seem-to-have-an-issue-with-me/592713.md?page=2)