# Lying Festering Maggots! (Bushiviks!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2007, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116 "2007-04-14T15:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/1 "2007-04-14T15:49:24Z")
For the sake of brevity, I will refer you directly to Think Progress [http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/13/bush-extensions/](http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/13/bush-extensions/) which has the relevent links embedded in the text. > [@](#): > > On Tuesday, President Bush addressed the American Legion and accused Congress of forcing U.S. troops to extend their deployments in Iraq: > > “The bottom line is this: Congress’s failure to fund our troops will mean that some of our military families could wait longer for their loved ones to return from the front lines.” > > The very next day, his own Pentagon announced that all U.S. Army soldiers in Iraq would have their 12-month tours in Iraq extended by 3 additional months… It gets better… > [@](#): > > …when the Pentagon announced its new policy on Wednesday, Defense Secretary Gates said he was angry that the news had been leaked to the press. That has sparked suspicion that the deployment extension was actually supposed to be announced after Bush had vetoed Congress’ Iraq legislation “so that he could try to claim it was their fault.” In that scenario, Bush’s remarks on Tuesday were just meant to prime the pump. > > This speculation was fueled by Wednesday’s White House press conference, where Dana Perino explained the strange timing by claiming that President Bush had been in the dark about this major policy shift until the morning it was announced… > > Q So why did he tell the American Legion that people would be staying in Iraq longer because of the Democrats, when his own Pentagon, 24 hours later, was going to keep people there longer? > > MS. PERINO: Well, one, I don’t know if the President knew about the — the meeting — remember, yesterday morning is when Secretary Gates came and talked to the President. […] > > Q And so the President didn’t know about his own policy until Wednesday? > > MS. PERINO: I’m not aware that the President knew that there was going to be — that Secretary Gates had come to any decisions… Ah, well! That certainly clears it up! GeeDubya didn’t know that Gates “…had come to any decisions…” Can we have a show of hands, people that believe that such is plausible? Could you also include your e-mail addy, got this guy in Nigeria, got an offer for you… It was a set-up, but they stepped on thier collective dick. “Look, the Dems refused to fund the heroes, and that’s why we have to extend their tours, just like The Leader told you!” Oh, for a “puking my guts out!” smilie! And Petreus? Grand strategist? Didn’t know. That’s right. Didn’t know. [http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armytimes.com%2Fnews%2F2007%2F04%2FArmy\_deployments\_petraeus\_070413%2F](http://www.rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armytimes.com%2Fnews%2F2007%2F04%2FArmy_deployments_petraeus_070413%2F) (_Army Times_) **Petraeus Surprised by Extension Announcement** > [@](#): > > The timing of the announcement raising the standard length of active Army Iraq deployments to 15 months took the U.S. commanding general in Iraq by surprise, according to a senior U.S. military official here. > > Army Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the U.S. military operation in Iraq, learned of the change in policy during a briefing from his staff the morning after the Defense Department announcement, according to the senior military official… > > The Pentagon was forced to announce the shift, which includes extending the deployment of every active Army unit already in Iraq to 15 months, “a couple of days” earlier than planned because the information had been leaked to the news media, the senior military official said… So here’s the image you are expected to take away: Our Heroes are down to their last few cents, checking the couches in the Officers Club for change… And the Dems refuse to give them any money for food, ammo, bandages. As an immediate result, The Leader has no choice but to extend their tours. No, wait, The Leader didn’t know, Gates didn’t tell him, they don’t talk much. Didn’t tell Petreus either, oopsy! And so it goes. (In honored memory of a voice that will be keenly missed. Sam Clemens awaits with a good bottle of whiskey and some passable cigars. Rest now. We won’t. We promise…) ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/2 "2007-04-14T16:00:49Z")
Just remember, it’s the **Democrats** that are playing politics with the troops, okay? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/3 "2007-04-14T16:11:02Z")
I thought that story was pretty funny just because the administration is so incompetent they can’t even stick to the plan for deceiving the American people for the umpteenth time. Still, it’s absolutely infuriating because the Dems are still falling all over themselves with seemingly no clue on how to respond. The Republicans can fully control the debate, define the issue, and the media runs with it. The Dems demonstrate again that they have no backbone even with the American people supposedly behind them on the issue of withdrawing from Iraq. Why can’t they simply say, in gentler language, “Bullshit! The troops aren’t going to be stuck without supplies even if the funding doesn’t pass like usual.” I mean, they can’t even correct the outright lies from the OTHER side. How are they going to do anything THEY want to do. 😕 Then again, what **do** the Dems want to do? Ugh… ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/4 "2007-04-14T16:58:13Z")
[QUOTE=miss elizabeth] Just remember, it’s the **Democrats** that are playing politics with the troops, okay? [/QUOTE] If only they believed in God; then maybe they’d show some compassion. > [@mstay](#): > > Why can’t they simply say, in gentler language, “Bullshit! The troops aren’t going to be stuck without supplies even if the funding doesn’t pass like usual.” I mean, they can’t even correct the outright lies from the OTHER side. How are they going to do anything THEY want to do. Then again, what do the Dems want to do? Ugh… Exactly. I would pay good money to see the Dems do this someday. In fact, I think it’s ridiculous that they haven’t. :mad: LilShieste ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/5 "2007-04-14T17:19:17Z")
I can’t be amused by Bush’s antics in Iraq. He’s obviously floundering and it appears his entire strategy at this point is to try to figure out some way he’s not going to be left holding all the blame for his mistakes. Tragically it appears his plan is to draw out the war for another two years so the next President has to officially end it - that way Bush can preserve his “legacy” and claim he didn’t give up in Iraq. But several hundred American soldiers are going to die between now and then as a sacrifice to George Bush’s ego. I’ve always said that George Bush isn’t doing any permanent damage to America. As a whole, I still believe that’s true and we’ll be able to fix the things he’s broken. But the men and women that have died will still be dead. So while I used to say I didn’t hate George Bush, that’s no longer true. My wish for George Bush right now is that he lives a long life - I want him to experience several decades of the universal scorn and revulsion that will be his reward when the American people realize what he’s done. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/6 "2007-04-14T18:54:11Z")
You know, I look at Dana Perino and think to myself, “How can someone so hot, say things so evil?” In fact, I don’t get how this whole administration can continue to spout such blantant bullshit and think that _anyone_ buys it. Or how they can remain so misguidedly loyal to a failed prick of a leader like Shrub. Is this how the Iraqis felt in the weeks leading up to the war, when Saddam and Baghdad Bob were saying that they would crush the infidels? ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/7 "2007-04-14T18:58:00Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] You know, I look at Dana Perino and think to myself, “How can someone so hot, say things so evil?” In fact, I don’t get how this whole administration can continue to spout such blantant bullshit and think that _anyone_ buys it. Or how they can remain so misguidedly loyal to a failed prick of a leader like Shrub. [/QUOTE] I find the foregoing terrifying. Stupid me growing up thinking most people were reasonable and logical. Turns out that was true of my friends and associates but the wider world, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/8 "2007-04-14T19:30:18Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] My wish for George Bush right now is that he lives a long life - I want him to experience several decades of the universal scorn and revulsion that will be his reward when the American people realize what he’s done. [/QUOTE] I second that, only amending, “in a cell at Guantanamo.” ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/9 "2007-04-14T20:07:09Z")
[QUOTE=miss elizabeth] Just remember, it’s the **Democrats** that are playing politics with the troops, okay? [/QUOTE] So Bush is apolitical now? That’s news to me. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/10 "2007-04-14T21:50:11Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] And so it goes. (In honored memory of a voice that will be keenly missed. Sam Clemens awaits with a good bottle of whiskey and some passable cigars. Rest now. We won’t. We promise…) [/QUOTE] Worthy of its own thread… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/11 "2007-04-14T22:28:35Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] You know, I look at Dana Perino and think to myself, “How can someone so hot, say things so evil?” In fact, I don’t get how this whole administration can continue to spout such blantant bullshit and think that _anyone_ buys it. Or how they can remain so misguidedly loyal to a failed prick of a leader like Shrub. Is this how the Iraqis felt in the weeks leading up to the war, when Saddam and Baghdad Bob were saying that they would crush the infidels? [/QUOTE] Because they continues to spout it over and over. If you say something long enough and in a positive voice a certain fraction of the populace will believe it. This is the technique of the big lie. Many people simply refuse to believe that those in high political office are blatant liars. After all, if the president keeps saying it there must be something to it. I now am quite certain that Bush is now and always has been a two-bit con man. It is tragic that the American experiment in self-government has come to the position of having someone like that as the national chief executive officer. Many posting on this board will not live long enough to see a recovery from his disasterous administration and I certainly won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/12 "2007-04-14T22:30:04Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] You know, I look at Dana Perino and think to myself, “How can someone so hot, say things so evil?” [/QUOTE] Funny, I look at her and think to myself, “How can someone actually make ol’ Scotty look competent?”. As for the rest…these people have proven that they couldn’t mastermind feeding a parking meter. This is a surprise? The only thing they’re good at is blaming the Democrats for the parking ticket afterwards. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/13 "2007-04-14T23:10:38Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] …I now am quite certain that Bush is now and always has been a two-bit con man… [/QUOTE] With all due, I differ. Taking another’s inventory is speculative at most, but I don’t see a con-man, that requires as certain cynical savvy that he abundantly lacks. GeeDubya believes. He believes he is uniquely qualified, exclusiveley selected and charged. The Hand of Providence? Well, the Lord moves in mysterious ways… He sincerely believes that the situation in Iraq is on the very brink of turning around, the next six months will be crucial, but we will be prevail. And he will be fondly remembered by history as a prescient and firm leader, who stood his ground against misguided public opinion and treacherous, unpatriotic political enemies, and proven right. Elmer Fudd as Churchill. I leave it to you whose vision holds more terror. Mine, I think. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/14 "2007-04-14T23:24:30Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] With all due, I differ. Taking another’s inventory is speculative at most, but I don’t see a con-man, that requires as certain cynical savvy that he abundantly lacks. GeeDubya believes. He believes he is uniquely qualified, exclusiveley selected and charged. The Hand of Providence? Well, the Lord moves in mysterious ways… He sincerely believes that the situation in Iraq is on the very brink of turning around, the next six months will be crucial, but we will be prevail. And he will be fondly remembered by history as a prescient and firm leader, who stood his ground against misguided public opinion and treacherous, unpatriotic political enemies, and proven right. Elmer Fudd as Churchill. I leave it to you whose vision holds more terror. Mine, I think. [/QUOTE] OK, but that sent me back to your OP. The title is **Lying Festering Maggots! (Bushiviks!)**, but the words in it lay out a bunch of, as you say, incompetents. That’s at odds with the title. And now you say GW really believe it, so he’s just a misguided idiot rather than a “Lying Festering Maggot.” You seem to be having great difficultly pinning down just what Bush is[sup]1[/sup]. Let’s get with the program. 😉 1 I favor con-man. Saying he’s incompetent or a misguided messiah sort of lets him off the hook and I refuse to do that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/15 "2007-04-14T23:37:57Z")
For starters, when I say “Bushivik”, I mean the larger circle of pestilence, the handlers, the enablers, the cheerleaders. Still, you’re right, there are contradictions in even the most mediocre of men. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2007, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/16 "2007-04-15T00:13:14Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] For starters, when I say “Bushivik”, I mean the larger circle of pestilence, the handlers, the enablers, the cheerleaders. [/QUOTE] And don’t forget the over 50% who still voted for him after having watched the first four years. ---
**Author:** ![Scornhole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Scornhole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scornhole)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2007, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/17 "2007-04-15T00:14:42Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] Because they continues to spout it over and over. If you say something long enough and in a positive voice a certain fraction of the populace will believe it. This is the technique of the big lie. [/QUOTE] That’s why Karl Rove is America’s Goebbels, and if there was any way that he, Cheney and Bush could turn the country into a fascist state even faster you know they would. Bush has actually said, “things would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship.” ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2007, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/18 "2007-04-15T00:17:05Z")
Has the Attorney General been tasked with finding and prosecuting the leaker yet? This is clearly a matter of national security, and the freedom hating bastard should be confronted with the full force of the law. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2007, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/19 "2007-04-15T00:23:30Z")
[QUOTE=Scornhole] Bush has actually said, “things would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship.” [/QUOTE] Hey! [It can’t happen here!](http://www.amazon.com/Cant-Happen-Here-Sinclair-Lewis/dp/045121658X/ref=sr_1_1/103-1518416-0570237?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1176596521&sr=1-1) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2007, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/20 "2007-04-15T00:52:45Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Has the Attorney General been tasked with finding and prosecuting the leaker yet? This is clearly a matter of national security, and the freedom hating bastard should be confronted with the full force of the law. [/QUOTE] You underline an interesting sidelight to this: the leak (apparently) came from within the Pentagon. Hard to know with stuff like this, its either they’re really pissed about it or they’re shocked shocked. I’m guessing really pissed, since this leak really blew the timing for Operation Who? Me? A patriotic soldier doing his duty for his country and his comrades? Well, why not? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116.md?page=2)