# Lying Festering Maggots! (Bushiviks!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 14, 2007, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116 "2007-04-14T15:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/61 "2007-04-16T04:02:04Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Congress has passed a spending bill which fully funds the troops. [/QUOTE] Cite, please? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/62 "2007-04-16T04:13:30Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] The will of the people is that President Bush is the CIC, not Nancy Pelosi, not Harry Reid, nor any of the other 535 nitwits in Congress. [/QUOTE] The president is CinC of the armed forces, not of the American people (who have to pay the taxes to fund the armed forces). The will of the people – and of the Constitution – is that Congress, not the POTUS, should control the money and decide how to spend it. Furthermore, the will of the people is not that Bush should be president, but that’s another debate. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/63 "2007-04-16T04:37:02Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] The will of the people is that President Bush is the CIC, not Nancy Pelosi, not Harry Reid, nor any of the other 535 nitwits in Congress. [/QUOTE] You get worse and worse. The president is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, not the CinC of the United States. I thought **Diogenes** was exaggerating a little when he said you must never have read about how the US government is organized. Now I see he was being restrained. Let’s go through this slowly. The [Senate passed legislation](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/29/AR2007032900344.html?hpid=topnews) that funds the war with the proviso that combat troops start withdrawing 120 days after 31 March 2007 with the goal of being completer withdrawn by the end of March 2008. The [House passed legislation](http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/US_House_approves_Iraq_funding_bill/20070323-061648-1347r/) funding the war with the firm deadline that troops be out of Iraq by Aug of 2008. There were probably other differences. Congress returns next week and these differences will be worked out by a conference committee composes of members from both Senate and House, the resulting bill will be passed and sent to the President. **It will contain funding for the war since both houses of Congress agree on that up front.** You are doing nothing but repeating the chant, “Commander in Chief”, “pork barrel”, and like without actually seeming to know what is happening in actual fact. It is just meaningless babble to say, “The will of the people is that President Bush is the CIC, not Nancy Pelosi, not Harry Reid, nor any of the other 535 nitwits in Congress.” What is clear is that as of Nov 2006 the will of the people is that the Commander in Chief get the US the hell out of Iraq and if he won’t do it the Congress should. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/64 "2007-04-16T04:43:49Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] Congress returns next week and these differences will be worked out by a conference committee composes of members from both Senate and House, the resulting bill will be passed and sent to the President. **It will contain funding for the war since both houses of Congress agree on that up front.** [/quote] So you admit that Diogenes statement was a lie? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/65 "2007-04-16T04:46:41Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] So you admit that Diogenes statement was a lie? [/QUOTE] You will have to talk to **Diogenes** about his statements. I’m going out into the garage and talk with a sack of charcoal briquets. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/66 "2007-04-16T04:46:54Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Cite, please? [/QUOTE] [http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/29/us.iraq.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/29/us.iraq.ap/index.html) Holy crap, you really are uninformed. Where do you get your news, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/67 "2007-04-16T04:49:19Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] The will of the people is that President Bush is the CIC, not Nancy Pelosi, not Harry Reid, nor any of the other 535 nitwits in Congress. [/QUOTE] The CIC is not in charge of spending, imbecile. Congress is. The will of the people was that the Dems being in charge of spending. The will of the people is also that we get out of Iraq. Imbecile. By the way, it was also the will of the people for Al Gore to be CIC, not GWB. > [@Carol Stream](#): > > > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > > > Congress has passed a spending bill which fully funds the troops. > > Cite, please? Here you go, dummy. [Senate Passes War Spending Bill With Iraq Deadline](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/washington/29cnd-congress.html?ex=1176868800&en=674921a2cae46e86&ei=5070) Or you can just do google News search on “Congress passes spending bill.” You really are uninformed, aren’t you? You’re really lowering the curve for the righties around here. ---
**Author:** ![Rhubarb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/59ef9b/32.png) [@Rhubarb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhubarb)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/68 "2007-04-16T05:02:23Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] You will have to talk to **Diogenes** about his statements. I’m going out into the garage and talk with a sack of charcoal briquets. [/QUOTE] Likely to be a much more satisfying conversation. After all, you get to set them on fire. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/69 "2007-04-16T05:19:45Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] [http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/29/us.iraq.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/29/us.iraq.ap/index.html) Holy crap, you really are uninformed. Where do you get your news, anyway? [/QUOTE] Your problem is that you are far too factually based. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/70 "2007-04-16T05:19:51Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] What Gates actually said on the topic was: " In terms of why we’re announcing it simultaneously with the unit commanders, I’ll be very blunt. Some very thoughtless person in this building made the unilateral decision yesterday to deny the Army the opportunity to notify unit commanders who could then talk to their troops 48 hours before we made a public announcement. And I can’t tell you how angry it makes many of us that one individual would create potentially so much hardship not only for our service men and women, but their families, by giving – by letting them read about something like this in the newspapers. " Do you really believe that Gates said he was angry the news got leaked because Bush wanted to claim it was the Democrats’ fault? [/QUOTE] Well, as **elucidator** and others have pointed out, no-one ever claimed that “Gates said he was angry the news got leaked because Bush wanted to claim it was the Democrats’ fault.” Something i find instructive about the part of Gates’ comments that you quoted—something that really sums up this whole Administration—is that he appears more concerned about the hardship the troops and their families will suffer from reading about their extended stay in the newspapers, than he does about the hardship the troops and their families will suffer from the extended stay itself. As we’ve seen on multiple occasions, in the world of the Bushiviks, _reporting_ the bad news is cause for greater outrage and concern than the bad news itself. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/71 "2007-04-16T05:22:07Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] Your problem is that you are far too factually based. [/QUOTE] Well, facts have a well known liberal bias. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/72 "2007-04-16T05:24:31Z")
[QUOTE=Princhester] Your problem is that you are far too factually based. [/QUOTE] I’m trying to work on that. I just don’t fit in well in the Bush era. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/73 "2007-04-16T05:49:18Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Here you go, dummy. [Senate Passes War Spending Bill With Iraq Deadline](http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/washington/29cnd-congress.html?ex=1176868800&en=674921a2cae46e86&ei=5070) Or you can just do google News search on “Congress passes spending bill.” You really are uninformed, aren’t you? You’re really lowering the curve for the righties around here. [/QUOTE] Better give it up, **Dio**. She’s only going to accept as a cite a link that shows a bill being reported out of conference and passed by both houses. We both know that it’s bullshit, but she does get to require that as a proof of your statement > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Congress has passed a spending bill which fully funds the troops. you cite something that’s been sent to the Oval Office for signature (or veto). Don’t let yourself be distracted. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/74 "2007-04-16T05:53:47Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] Better give it up, **DIO**. She’s only going to accept as a cite a link that shows a bill being reported out of conference and passed by both houses. We both know that it’s bullshit, but she does get to require that as a proof of your statementyou cite something that’s been sent to the Oval Office for signature (or veto). Don’t let yourself be distracted. [/QUOTE] I see your point, but I guess I didn’t really think she would be that sophist. Does she think that funds for the war will be _removed_ in conference? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/75 "2007-04-16T05:58:46Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I see your point, but I guess I didn’t really think she would be that sophist. [/QUOTE] Really? Looking at post #64, you really don’t think she would be that sophist? [_Mr. Wizard the Lizard_] Driesel, dreisel, drasel, drohm; time for zis vun to come home. [/_MWtL_] 😉 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/76 "2007-04-16T06:28:03Z")
[QUOTE=Rhubarb] Likely to be a much more satisfying conversation. After all, you get to set them on fire. 🙂 [/QUOTE] They’re good for grilling hot dogs and AGs too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/77 "2007-04-16T13:47:26Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] The will of the people is that President Bush is the CIC, not Nancy Pelosi, not Harry Reid, nor any of the other 535 nitwits in Congress. [/QUOTE] Well, if the CIC wants his money he’d better sign the bill. I guess he doesn’t actually want the fund the troops. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/78 "2007-04-16T16:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] OTOH, in the case to which you refer, [Abe Lincoln’s](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln#Mexican-American_War) political career somehow survived. [/QUOTE] . Actually Lincolns career ended abruptly soon after the quote. The use of a war to built enough power to get your political agenda is old. Who dares to say stop a war once it is started.?Who will dare to go against the government.? It can be political suicide and pols that do it are marginalized or made fun of. Start a war and political success is practically guaranteed. I fear that was part of the Repub calculus. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/79 "2007-04-16T17:11:36Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I guess I didn’t really think she would be that sophist. [/QUOTE] What is a sack of charcoal briquets _if not_ determinedly sophist? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116/80 "2007-04-16T17:44:23Z")
BTW, **Carol,** you’re welcome to post in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=416810) IMHO thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-festering-maggots-bushiviks/400116.md?page=5)