# Lying Whore Charged with Murder
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [February 22, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933 "2010-02-22T01:31:00Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/1 "2010-02-22T01:31:00Z")
[http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7068705/](http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7068705/)
Yes it’s true. The Duke Lacrosse rape accuser has been charged with attempted murder, arson, and child abuse. Proof, if proof were needed that once a psychotic bitch, always a psychotic bitch.
(The expression “lying whore” is not hyperbole. She has worked, on occasion, as a prostitute, and she lied, under oath, about some extremely serious matters.)
Many people, including many Dopers, believe this is mainly about race.
I think it’s mainly about a criminal justice system that’s biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise.
I see the Duke rape case in much the same light as the charges bought against Kobe Bryant in Colorado, and the accusations made against Ben Roethlisberger in Nevada.
Crystal, honey, I hope you rot in jail. I hope you lose custody of your kids. I hope the many foolish men out there are smart enough to stay the hell away from you in the future.
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### Author:  [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/2 "2010-02-22T01:52:45Z")
I’m still waiting for the Group of 88 to issue a public apology for their disgusting, slanderous remarks about the players. I suspect I’ll be waiting a long time.
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### Author:  [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/3 "2010-02-22T01:56:34Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> I think it’s mainly about a criminal justice system that’s biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise.
The whole Duke lacrosse travesty is full of things ripe for Pitting, and you focus on an incredibly stupid generalization completely lacking in reality. That’s not easy to do, so kudos on that, at least.
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### Author:  [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/4 "2010-02-22T02:00:13Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#):
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> I’m still waiting for the Group of 88 to issue a public apology for their disgusting, slanderous remarks about the players. I suspect I’ll be waiting a long time.
True.
At least Nifong’s career was destroyed.
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### Author:  [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/5 "2010-02-22T02:14:31Z")
> [@Hamlet](#):
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> The whole Duke lacrosse travesty is full of things ripe for Pitting, and you focus on an incredibly stupid generalization completely lacking in reality. That’s not easy to do, so kudos on that, at least.
False rape accusations never happen? Or are so rare that they don’t merit discussion?
Garbage.
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### Author:  [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/6 "2010-02-22T02:17:42Z")
I think part of the problem is the general public’s attitude towards “judging” rape victims (and indeed, crime victims AND criminals in general): either they are flawless victims who must be believed at any cost, or lying whores who probably asked for it. (Similarly, criminals are usually either being framed by the cops and can’t possibly be guilty no matter what anyone or anything says, or are so obviously guilty that they deserve no consideration or skepticism whatsoever.)
Nuance, IMO, is needed (or should at least be considered for a moment).
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### Author:  [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/7 "2010-02-22T02:20:29Z")
[http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html](http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html)
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> . [False rape allegations are reported in similar numbers at college campuses; approximately 50% of rape charges are admitted to be false by the accuser.]
[http://www.americandaily.com/article/5075](http://www.americandaily.com/article/5075)
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> That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney’s Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of “Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,†says, “there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen.”
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> Craig Silverman, a former Colorado prosecutor known for his zealous prosecution of rapists during his 16-year career, says that false rape accusations occur with “scary frequency.” As a regular commentator on the Bryant trial for Denver’s ABC affiliate, Silverman noted that “any honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most falsely reported crimes.” According to Silverman, a Denver sex-assault unit commander estimates that nearly half of all reported rape claims are false.
You were saying?
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/8 "2010-02-22T02:36:20Z")
I think they’re saying your focusing on the oddest part. The fact that false rape reports are so common, while the other crimes are not, indicates that most false accusers DO NOT go on to become murderers, arsonists, or child abusers.
It would make sense to be griping about this back when we found out she lied. It seems odd to be talking about it now that we find out she’s (allegedly) a full-blown psycho.
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### Author:  [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/9 "2010-02-22T02:44:03Z")
> [@BigT](#):
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> I think they’re saying your focusing on the oddest part. The fact that false rape reports are so common, while the other crimes are not, indicates that most false accusers DO NOT go on to become murderers, arsonists, or child abusers.
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> It would make sense to be griping about this back when we found out she lied. It seems odd to be talking about it now that we find out she’s (allegedly) a full-blown psycho.
I’m glad she’s (probably) on her way to prison. If the charges stick, maybe for the rest of her life. Good times.
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### Author:  [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/10 "2010-02-22T02:45:39Z")
The OP is dead on, except for the Ben Rothlisberger part…
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### Author:  [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/11 "2010-02-22T02:52:03Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> [http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html](http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html)
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> > . [False rape allegations are reported in similar numbers at college campuses; approximately 50% of rape charges are admitted to be false by the accuser.]
You missed this part when quoting a cult website who’s leader has been accused of sexual misconduct:
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> [Notes in brackets are added by the Ananda Answers editor]
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### Author:  [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/12 "2010-02-22T02:54:33Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> False rape accusations never happen? Or are so rare that they don’t merit discussion?
Neither, which should have been obvious since that’s the part of your rant I quoted.
> [@Belowjob](#):
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> Garbage.
Here is what you said: “a criminal justice system that’s biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise.” Your statement is complete and utter bullshit, and your cites indicating that people make false rape accusations in no way disprove it. Yes, false accusations are made. But you take it one step further, a step with little to no actual evidence, and accuse the criminal justice system of being biased and shifting the burden to men to prove their innocent. You focus on one two high profile examples (by the way, Rothlisberger has not been criminally charged, so you might want to excise that one) and ignore the thousands of rape convictions that do occur. When you take the giant leap and pretend that the criminal justice system is to blame, you lose all credibility with me.
By all means, slam the woman, she deserves it. Slam Nifong, and some of the investigators too. Have at it. But pretending that that outrageous example is par for the course in the criminal justice system is bullshit.
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### Author:  [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/13 "2010-02-22T03:02:07Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> The OP is dead on, except for the Ben Rothlisberger part…
Wow. Even in the offseason you find a way to troll the Steelers. So, since you choose to believe he did it, you can surely prove that he did, right? Of course you can.
Dammit, I got hooked again. 10/10.
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### Author:  [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/14 "2010-02-22T03:16:37Z")
> [@Hamlet](#):
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> By all means, slam the woman, she deserves it. Slam Nifong, and some of the investigators too. Have at it. But pretending that that outrageous example is par for the course in the criminal justice system is bullshit.
Such bullshit, frankly, that I’m genuinely curious where all the anger here (in the OP, that is) comes from. All manner of individuals lie to police all the time about all kinds of things, but the Duke case makes a lot of people really especially angry.
If what this is “mainly about,” truly, is “a criminal justice system that’s biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise,” then hey, I’ve got good news… that is some made up shit. But based on the psychotic bitch/lying whore angle I’m going to say it isn’t really about the criminal justice system. I’m going to venture a guess that our OP has a bit of a problem with the females.
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### Author:  [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/15 "2010-02-22T03:22:47Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#):
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> [http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7068705/](http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7068705/)
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> Yes it’s true. The Duke Lacrosse rape accuser has been charged with attempted murder, arson, and child abuse. Proof, if proof were needed that once a psychotic bitch, always a psychotic bitch.
I’m not defending the woman, but I can’t help but notice the irony of your assertion that accusations = proof.
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### Author:  [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/16 "2010-02-22T03:30:49Z")
**i·ro·ny** [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]
–noun,plural-nies.
Origin:
1495–1505; \< L īrōnīa \< Gk eirōneía dissimulation, sarcasm, understatement, equiv. to eírōn a dissembler + -eia -y3
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning:
2. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs
\*After hearing the story about a public riled up against a lacrosse team based upon charges alone and before all the facts could come in, Ender could not help but marvel at the irony that was the OP \*
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### Author:  [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/17 "2010-02-22T03:33:27Z")
**slow** [sloh] adjective,-er, -est, adverb,-er, -est, verb
–adjective
1.moving or proceeding with little or less than usual speed or velocity: a slow train.
2. taking or requiring a comparatively long time for completion: a slow meal; a slow trip.
_See, post #16 Ibid_
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### Author:  [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/18 "2010-02-22T03:43:33Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#):
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> If what this is “mainly about,” truly, is “a criminal justice system that’s biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise,” then hey, I’ve got good news… that is some made up shit. But based on the psychotic bitch/lying whore angle I’m going to say it isn’t really about the criminal justice system. I’m going to venture a guess that our OP has a bit of a problem with the females.
I’m going to venture a guess that you’re wrong.
The reason why we are taking shot after shot at her in particular is because her lies kicked off a process that lead to so many people acting like total tools, and publicly at that. Ordinarily something like this gets a few minutes on the news and that’s it. But this one lead 88 faculty members (and [Houston Baker](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Baker#2006_Duke_University_lacrosse_scandal) in particular) to make about the most egregious public display possible. It made a DA outright lie to pander for votes. It ruined a school’s reputation for a lot of people, it polarized a good bit of the public on racial lines nationwide, and it caused severe and potentially irreparable damage to three men in particular and the other members of the team by extension. And what’s worse from a justice standpoint, she made rape accusations even less credible.
She deserves to be singled out. She deserves to be denounced every bit as vocally as those she previously accused. She deserves nothing but scorn and derision.
That’s what it’s about.
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### Author:  [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/19 "2010-02-22T03:45:31Z")
[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/hofstra-rape-student-lied\_n\_289473.html](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/hofstra-rape-student-lied_n_289473.html)
It was only the possibility that her hijinks were on video that made her recant.
Otherwise, she was fully prepared to destroy the lives of several young men.
No prosecution of the accuser for making the false charge:
[http://www.prlog.org/10354928-joy-watson-candidate-for-nassau-county-da-on-failure-of-kathleen-rice-to-charge-false-rape-accuser.html](http://www.prlog.org/10354928-joy-watson-candidate-for-nassau-county-da-on-failure-of-kathleen-rice-to-charge-false-rape-accuser.html)
Hell to the yeah.
It is not fucking unreasonable to say, If you are going to make this charge, we expect you to be telling the truth, and if you’re lying, be prepared to pay as severe a penalty as those you would accuse.
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### Author:  [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/20 "2010-02-22T03:54:25Z")
She is innocent until proven guilty, just like all other accused in this country. At least before the courts. Here at SDMB we pick our sides from the first newspaper headline we read.
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