# Lying Whore Charged with Murder **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933 "2010-02-22T01:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/41 "2010-02-22T15:49:06Z")
> [@Belowjob 2.2](#): > > Yes it’s true. The Duke Lacrosse rape accuser has been charged with attempted murder, arson, and child abuse. Proof, if proof were needed that once a psychotic bitch, always a psychotic bitch. **Belowjob** , I think you’re a fair-minded poster based on what I’ve seen you post in the past. So it amazes me you could post this and not see how this last sentence completely invalidates your rant. That you actually typed out the word proof (_twice)_) without collapsing from the cognitive dissonance…how were you able to do that? > [@](#): > > I think it’s mainly about a criminal justice system that’s biased in favor of rape accusers, and makes an a priori assumption that all men are victimizers until proven otherwise The charges made against the Lacrosse players were dropped when evidence was found to be lacking, and the prosecutor was punished when the system determined he’d abused his power. So where exactly is the proof that the criminal justice system is biased in favor of rape accusers? You’re railing against the court of public opinion. It’s the same court who called those boys rapists simply because a charge was made, and it’s the same court who is calling this “lying whore” a psychotic bitch murderer because a charge was made. In short, you are no better than the people you are pitting. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/42 "2010-02-22T16:26:58Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > It’s the same court who called those boys rapists simply because a charge was made, and it’s the same court who is calling this “lying whore” a psychotic bitch murderer because a charge was made. Lying whore psychotic bitch \*attempted \*murderer. So, a failure on top of everything else. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/43 "2010-02-22T18:02:15Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Lying whore psychotic bitch \*attempted \*murderer. So, a failure on top of everything else. “Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?” ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/44 "2010-02-22T18:04:59Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > “Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?” They give one proactively for attempted peace apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/45 "2010-02-22T18:44:45Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Who’s insisting on a false dichotomy? Being a rape victim sucks. Being a victim of a false rape accusation sucks. As I understand the statistics shown in this thread, any given rape case (in the absence of other considerations) has both of those outcomes equally likely. Don’t accept the statistics in this thread as actual statistics. I could throw a bunch of websites at you that say the false reporting rate is actually less than 2%. Actually, I could also point you toward some “statistics” that say that 90% of all rape claims are false. There’s a bit more to it than that, is what I’m suggesting, and very likely, considering all the factors involved, it isn’t even possible to reach the level of real statistical proof. But anyway, since at least one reasonable person has accepted that the two outcomes are equally likely, I wanted to speak up and point out that there are many very different perspectives on that point. Plenty of police departments have published studies within their own jurisdictions, for instance, and ended up with numbers not remotely approaching 50%. Rather than handpick some of them myself, I’ll just link to somebody doing it [for me](http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2009/04/15/eugene-kanins-study-of-false-rape-reports/). I don’t vouch for that blog as I only found it by googling; I’m only concerned with the actual data collected in the post, e.g.: > [@](#): > > So how common are false rape reports? No one can say for certain. However, after conducting a review of the (extremely limited) available research, a recent report by The National Center for the Prosecution of Violence Against Women concluded: > > > [@](#): > > > > When more methodologically rigorous research has been conducted, estimates for the percentage of false reports begin to converge around 2-8%. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/46 "2010-02-22T20:21:35Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > I’m also of the opinion that the courts in general go easier on women who commit acts of domestic violence. I suspect that she’s been violent to her partner before, but that he and/or the law let it slide. This is where I also get the idea the OP has a problem with women. You’re just pulling shit out of your ass now, with nothing to back up your “opinion” and “suspicion”. Your hard-on for this case seems to be based on more than mere justice being served. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/47 "2010-02-22T20:40:53Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Don’t accept the statistics in this thread as actual statistics. I could throw a bunch of websites at you that say the false reporting rate is actually less than 2%. Actually, I could also point you toward some “statistics” that say that 90% of all rape claims are false. There’s a bit more to it than that, is what I’m suggesting, and very likely, considering all the factors involved, it isn’t even possible to reach the level of real statistical proof. I wouldn’t be surprised if, given at least part of the “victimization” of false accusation victims is social and not legal, the higher counts included things like my personal experience (reported to campus police, then the report was dropped immediately afterward by the supposed victim, who claimed to not want to drag HER good name through the courts. And then continued to claim I was a rapist in informal contexts). The larger part of my point stands, I think–you can be skeptical of individual rape claims without necessarily being evil, and you can acknowledge that false accusations happen and are a problem while still understanding the differences in severity between that and rape. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/48 "2010-02-22T22:15:55Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > As far as I know she was not convicted of lying about the rapes except for conviction in the press and by cocksuckers on the internet. She wasn’t convicted of lying, but only because the Attorney General of North Carolina decided not to prosecute her, based on his belief that she was mentally unstable. > [@](#): > > Her accusations were found to be inconsistent and not enough to proceed to trial against the accused. Her accusations were found to be absolutely without merit; _i.e._ fabricated from whole cloth, _i.e._ lies. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/49 "2010-02-22T22:49:14Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > I have read some stuff (and seen some stuff) that suggests that, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, police are expected to believe an accusation of rape. Do you have a cite other than “I have read some stuff”? I’d be interested to see if there’s actually any policy suggesting that police treat rape accusations differently from any other accusations that are basically on a he-said/she-said basis. It’s my understanding that ALL accusations\* are believed until investigation suggests otherwise; would you really want it any other way? Are you suggesting that rape accusations be the only criminal accusations that are assumed to be \*false \*before they’re investigated? \*Obvious exceptions like people who have a prior history of false accusations aside. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/50 "2010-02-23T03:29:04Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > The problem with rape is that the mere accusation has far more negative consequences than pretty much any other crime. Merely being arrested for rape can destroy somebody’s life - even if they are later found innocent. Even if they are completely exonerated some of the stigma can linger, and life will never be the same… And let’s not forget that the media outlets that have strict policies about naming alleged rape victims will gladly publish the name of the accused, his picture, and all kinds of details about the alleged crime. It’s even worse when the alleged victims underage. And in the US it’s usually (though not always) perfectly legal to for legal for the media to name alleged vicitims, but “it’s against journalist ethics” to do so. Yet somehow it’s not unethical to broadcast every little detail about the defendant they can get there hands on? :dubious: Either the defendant’s identity should be kept secret as well (only to be revealed upon conviction) or the victim’s should be published by every media outlet that want’s to name the defendent. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/51 "2010-02-23T10:01:59Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > She wasn’t convicted of lying, but only because the Attorney General of North Carolina decided not to prosecute her, based on his belief that she was mentally unstable. > > Her accusations were found to be absolutely without merit; _i.e._ fabricated from whole cloth, _i.e._ lies. To which mental instability is a defense. And yes, sometimes people who have trouble with the law due to mental instability get in more trouble with the law. This woman has what we conclude as low moral character due to her mental instability, not because she lacks humanity. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/52 "2010-02-23T11:24:40Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Do you have a cite other than “I have read some stuff”? I’d be interested to see if there’s actually any policy suggesting that police treat rape accusations differently from any other accusations that are basically on a he-said/she-said basis. > > It’s my understanding that ALL accusations\* are believed until investigation suggests otherwise; would you really want it any other way? > > Are you suggesting that rape accusations be the only criminal accusations that are assumed to be \*false \*before they’re investigated? > > \*Obvious exceptions like people who have a prior history of false accusations aside. Sure…from here… [http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume8/j8\_2\_4.htm](http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume8/j8_2_4.htm) "DSAC emphasizes that they believe false allegations are extremely rare, and that they see their role as police medical officers **as advocates for the complainant**. DSAC doctors giving evidence in court in cases involving alleged sexual touching commonly describe normal findings as “consistent with abuse.” Despite mounting evidence to the contrary, sexual abuse workers in many disciplines, including police, DSAC doctors, social workers, psychologists, and therapists, are instructed that it is extremely unlikely for a sexual allegation to be false. At the recent DSAC conference on rape (DSAC Inter-disciplinary Conference: Rape: 10 Years’ Progress?, held in Wellington on March 27-30, 1996), there was continual emphasis on the importance of police and other professionals believing a complainant". ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/53 "2010-02-23T12:39:36Z")
We wouldn’t be having these problems if a) the media held the accusers to the same standards of reporting as the do those accused and b) the courts brought charges against those knowingly bringing false rape accusations. If balloon boy’s mom and dad can be brought to court for their stupid stunt, certainly people lying about a rape charge can be. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/54 "2010-02-23T14:20:10Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > This woman has what we conclude as low moral character due to her mental instability, not because she lacks humanity. I never said she did lack humanity. It must be noted, however, that she told her friends that she was going to get a big payday from “some white boys.” So any attempt to cast her behavior as simply a manifestation of mental instability (which was only mentioned by the AG as a reason not to prosecute her, and never as a defense for her actions), must be mitigated by her obvious greed. You, however, said : > [@](#): > > Her accusations were found to be inconsistent and not enough to proceed to trial against the accused. Which is _at best_ a gross mischaracterization of what actually happened. They were internally inconsistent, yes, but with regards to the truth, they were absolutely lies. Not inconsistencies. And far from being “not enough to proceed”, there was simply _nothing about what she said_ that was accurate. So if having _no case whatsoever_ means not enough to proceed, I suppose you are right. Most folks would see that as having a double handful of bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/55 "2010-02-23T15:20:28Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > If balloon boy’s mom and dad can be brought to court for their stupid stunt, certainly people lying about a rape charge can be. As God as my witness, I thought Falcon could lie. I agree with your point, but its pretty sad reflection on the system when how the balloon boy fiasco was handled is an example of proper juris prudence 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/56 "2010-02-23T15:39:38Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > You, however, said : Which is _at best_ a gross mischaracterization of what actually happened. They were internally inconsistent, yes, but with regards to the truth, they were absolutely lies. Not inconsistencies. And far from being “not enough to proceed”, there was simply _nothing about what she said_ that was accurate. So if having _no case whatsoever_ means not enough to proceed, I suppose you are right. Most folks would see that as having a double handful of bullshit. As much as anything else, I think that the mere fact that the case got as far as Nifong in the first place is very very sad. I don’t think police should be judging guilt or otherwise, but one would hope proper policework would have uncovered a lot more a lot earlier… ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/57 "2010-02-23T16:56:09Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > As much as anything else, I think that the mere fact that the case got as far as Nifong in the first place is very very sad. I don’t think police should be judging guilt or otherwise, but one would hope proper policework would have uncovered a lot more a lot earlier… In an almost unprecedented move, Nifong took over the investigation at a very early stage. It is clear that he saw an opportunity to attract Black voters in what was shaping up to be a closely contested bid for election. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/58 "2010-02-25T01:03:17Z")
[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/24/biurny-peguero-fake-rape\_n\_473890.html](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/24/biurny-peguero-fake-rape_n_473890.html) > [@](#): > > Peguero originally said McCaffrey was the ringleader among three men who raped her at knifepoint after luring her into their car. She met them after a night out at a Manhattan nightclub with female friends. > > McCaffrey, now 32, said she had agreed to go with them to a party. He said they dropped her off unharmed after she changed her mind. > > But jurors spurned his account after hearing from Peguero, among other witnesses. She went on to speak at his sentencing hearing, saying, “Justice has finally been served.” He was sentenced to 20 years in prison; no one else was convicted. > > Peguero came to believe her lie because she had been too drunk to remember much of the night in question, according to a report from a psychiatrist who examined Peguero at her lawyer’s request. > > Prosecutors have said she told them she claimed she was raped to make her friends feel sorry for her. Assistant District Attorney Evan Krutoy suggested Tuesday that she may have lied out of anger at a man who had upset – but not attacked – her. Note to self: Never invite a chick who’s had a few to a party. And whatever you do, don’t say anything to piss her off. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/59 "2010-02-25T01:20:55Z")
I suppose this point has been made before, but it’s new to me, so I’ll throw it out here. If the Duke players had been convicted, they stood a pretty good chance of being raped in the North Carolina prison system. They could have joined the Aryans for protection, of course. When they were finally released from prison, they’d be bitter neo Nazis with no hope of getting decent jobs or having anything remotely resembling a life. Just what America needs more of! ---
**Author:** ![toofs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@toofs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toofs)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2010, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/60 "2010-02-26T06:51:03Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/24/biurny-peguero-fake-rape\_n\_473890.html](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/24/biurny-peguero-fake-rape_n_473890.html) > > Note to self: Never invite a chick who’s had a few to a party. And whatever you do, don’t say anything to piss her off. She’s not the first one to do this. Anyone remember [this false accusation?](http://cbs2.com/local/Dana.Point.Men.2.524133.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933.md?page=4)