# Lying Whore Charged with Murder **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933 "2010-02-22T01:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/81 "2010-03-01T08:21:36Z")
And you know what? That’s bullshit anyway. “Your post is without substance” is maybe a little vague. But “Your post is without substance because it contains a lot of weasel words and zero citations for its assertions” is pretty specific. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/82 "2010-03-02T02:33:35Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I thought it was well known that the courts ( and police, and society in general ) tend to go much easier on women than men when it comes to domestic violence; to the extent that the usual legal advice to men is to not defend themselves from an attacking woman, even if she’s stabbing them. Generally, the police will only arrest the man regardless of who is at fault, unless the law specifically requires them to arrest perpetrators; **amusingly, such laws were pushed for in various states by feminists under the theory that the police were ignoring male violence, and instead they caused more women to be arrested. I recall the feminist reaction at the time as they tried to explain it away; my favorite was the claim that men were stabbing and beating themselves to make women look bad.** [bolding mine] It’s hilarious, except in those cases where the women weren’t honest enough to admit that they struck the first blow and most of the subsequent ones. A man can be sent to jail because his partner bruised her arms punching him. I’ve seen reputable studies which hold that women are just as likely as men to be the initiators of domestic violence. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/83 "2010-03-02T02:44:58Z")
> [@toofs](#): > > She’s not the first one to do this. Anyone remember [this false accusation?](http://cbs2.com/local/Dana.Point.Men.2.524133.html) . > [@](#): > > .. if there was no videotape, these six men could have spent a long time in prison. > > … at times, she appeared to be directing the men to perform certain acts. > > … for over a year, she stuck to her story, then when a Grand Jury indicted her, she decided to plead guilty > > … Moonier, who was married at the time, has a fourteen month old daughter > _(can you say “Paternity Test”?)_ Holy Fucking Shit! ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/84 "2010-03-02T02:51:17Z")
Now this here is some juicy stuff: [http://www.ocweekly.com/2006-02-09/news/great-dick-babe](http://www.ocweekly.com/2006-02-09/news/great-dick-babe) > [@](#): > > In fact, the woman not only directed action at times but complimented penis sizes, complained about the lighting, nonchalantly took a cell phone call during the gangbang, yelled, “Get it up!” when some of the men lost their erections, called herself a slut and demanded ejaculations—in her mouth. > > She also laughed at least 27 times during the sex, moaned intensely when she wasn’t laughing and cheered the men to sexual heroics with, “Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!” > > “I just like sex,” Moonier said at one point on the tape. “I can’t help it.” ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/85 "2010-03-02T02:54:25Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > .Holy Fucking Shit! Why so surprised? In your worldview, a woman can beat a man, complain that she hurt herself doing so, send him to jail, and still have time for a fake rape accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/86 "2010-03-02T02:59:22Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Why so surprised? In your worldview, a woman can beat a man, complain that she hurt herself doing so, send him to jail, and still have time for a fake rape accusation. Not in my world, babe. In this world. Now. Today. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/87 "2010-03-02T03:08:50Z")
If you were just a little smarter you might be trolling at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/88 "2010-03-02T03:19:47Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > If you were just a little smarter you might be trolling at this point. If you were a lot smarter, you’d refrain from inane remarks. No chance of that, though. Yammer on. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/89 "2010-03-02T03:22:44Z")
Aren’t you going to at least call me hon? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/90 "2010-03-02T03:37:57Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Aren’t you going to at least call me hon? Where I grew up, working class white ladies would call strangers they felt friendly towards, “Hon.” As in “Here’s your Natty Bo, hon.” Working class white men, by contrast, would use the term “Buddy,” as in, “You like another Genny Cream, buddy?” The black English Vernacular equivalent, used by men, would be “Darling.” As in, “Darling, could you bring me another Colt 45?” Or “Chief,” if you were talking to man. So, no. I wouldn’t call you hon, or buddy, or darling, or chief. I’d call you misinformed and confused. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/91 "2010-03-02T03:45:33Z")
Well, you’d be right about the confusion, good buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/92 "2010-03-02T04:33:27Z")
The second-saddest thing about this thread is that everyone seems to have a halfway decent point they’re making, but they’re mostly obscured by the arbitrary levels of hostility. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/93 "2010-03-02T04:46:42Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > The second-saddest thing about this thread is that everyone seems to have a halfway decent point they’re making, but they’re mostly obscured by the arbitrary levels of hostility. Not to mention awash in misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/94 "2010-03-02T04:53:54Z")
> [@](#): > > **Der Trihs** : …amusingly, such laws were pushed for in various states by feminists under the theory that the police were ignoring male violence, and instead they caused more women to be arrested. I recall the feminist reaction at the time as they tried to explain it away; my favorite was the claim that men were stabbing and beating themselves to make women look bad. Cite? **Der Trihs** , I am aware that there is some female abuse of males. But you seem to forget that feminisim is not just about women. It is about parity in gender rights. You also seem to forget that feminists consist of both women and men. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/95 "2010-03-02T05:12:07Z")
If it’s so danged easy for a woman to get a man locked up, why are there so many women who get stalked and abused by men? I’m not saying all men are evil, but if it’s so easy to get a man arrested, why do so few women report their rapes? Why do so many women suffer at the hands of abusive spouses and boyfriends? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/96 "2010-03-02T05:18:33Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Cite? > > **Der Trihs** , I am aware that there is some female abuse of males. > > But you seem to forget that feminisim is not just about women. It is about parity in gender rights. You also seem to forget that feminists consist of both women and men. Sometimes that’s true. Sometimes it’s about getting women a bigger piece of the pie and blaming men for all the world’s ills. You can call people who argue for that No True Feminist if you like, but if their works are filed under “Women’s Studies” and they’re lecturing and getting invites as guest speakers on the strength of it, then I say it’s walking and quacking like a duck. > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > If it’s so danged easy for a woman to get a man locked up, why are there so many women who get stalked and abused by men? I’m not saying all men are evil, but if it’s so easy to get a man arrested, why do so few women report their rapes? Why do so many women suffer at the hands of abusive spouses and boyfriends? This is to ask “If gun ownership is so easy, why are there still burglaries and assaults?”. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/97 "2010-03-02T05:29:20Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > This is to ask “If gun ownership is so easy, why are there still burglaries and assaults?”. I don’t really see how it is. We still have burglaries and assaults because not everyone owns guns, and owning a gun won’t necessarily prevent a burglary. But if a woman is threatened by a guy and it’s so easy for a woman to get a man locked up because judges and cops hate men and guys can’t just get a break…why are there so many women who are still victimized? You can argue that some women don’t report crimes. But what about the ones who do and who are told there’s not enough evidence to go forward, or who are told there’s nothing that can happen? If it’s just that easy, every guy who looks at a woman cross eyed should be in jail. But that’s really not how it is. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/98 "2010-03-02T05:42:15Z")
I learned in women’s studies in college that women never lie about rape. I’ve also learned that the cocksuckers on the Internet need zero evidence to “convict” anyone one anything. I believe in the American idol thread a 16 year old girl was presumed to be a pedophile because she had kids with her. I’ve seen a fourteen year old mentally handicapped girl accused of decapitating her family dog because the dog was decapitated. Simply being on the Internet gives cocksuckers complete freedom to say anything about anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/99 "2010-03-02T06:38:47Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Sometimes that’s true. Sometimes it’s about getting women a bigger piece of the pie and blaming men for all the world’s ills. You can call people who argue for that No True Feminist if you like, but if their works are filed under “Women’s Studies” and they’re lecturing and getting invites as guest speakers on the strength of it, then I say it’s walking and quacking like a duck. > [@cricetus](#): > > I learned in women’s studies in college that women never lie about rape. > > I’ve also learned that the cocksuckers on the Internet need zero evidence to “convict” anyone one anything. I believe in the American idol thread a 16 year old girl was presumed to be a pedophile because she had kids with her. I’ve seen a fourteen year old mentally handicapped girl accused of decapitating her family dog because the dog was decapitated. Simply being on the Internet gives cocksuckers complete freedom to say anything about anyone. With all due respect – very little – what the fuck are you guys snorting about at this point? **Zoe** was responding to **Der Trihs** typical pile of insane whackadoo nonsense about how feminists this, feminists that, and asking for a citation, which **DT** is of course refusing to provide, because what is he going to cite, a documentary about the lost five years of civilization where men were beaten with whips in the streets by thirty-foot tall vaginas? Are you on **Der Trihs** ’ side of the argument here, or just generally anti-feminist? The fuck is your purpose in this thread? Does somebody want to argue something? Quacks like a duck, women’s studies… what the fuck? What? Are you seriously backing up **Der Trihs** ’ feverish, lunatic hallucinations about roving bands of violent feminists kicking the shit out of men and getting them locked in the gulag for it? Shit, not even he’s backing it up! Is it just the word feminist? You hear it and you have to show up and oppose it? Christ, **Belowjob** starts a thread with a bunch of nonsense about The System, which is immediately kicked the fucking teeth out of it in like the first three posts, he abandons all pretense – if there ever was any to begin with – that he had a legitimate point about the state of the law, and starts just posting anecdotes about whatever-the-fuck and hooting and whacking himself with a bone. Now the rest of the thread is just a bunch of howler monkeys\* throwing shit around. You learned that women never lie about rape. Oh, OK, that’s a weird thing to tea… no, no you didn’t learn that. That is some insane bullshit that you made up and who the fuck knows why. So for the love of scratching your balls and demeaning your secretary, _why?_ Seriously, seriously, seriously… what in the name of my sweet holy sanctified phallus are you guys arguing about here? Do you even know? \*myself included, with fucking elan, at this point. When in howler monkey town, shriek like a banshee, because those monkeys ain’t getting any smarter. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/100 "2010-03-02T06:56:19Z")
Dear Jimmy, Piss off. Sincerely yours, Malacandra PS - You want a more civil response, you earn it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933.md?page=6)