# Lying Whore Charged with Murder **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 22, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933 "2010-02-22T01:31:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/101 "2010-03-02T12:03:35Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > You learned that women never lie about rape. Oh, OK, that’s a weird thing to tea… no, no you didn’t learn that. That is some insane bullshit that you made up and who the fuck knows why. Well, Jim, you weren’t there. But it happened. Word for word, just like that, sated exactly like that, argued with vehemence by the teacher and some of the students. I remember it well, because although I was used to hearing (and making) stupid emotional arguments I wasn’t used to teachers doing it. Frankly, that’s not even the craziest thing we “learned” in class. But that’s neither here nor there, just a bemused recollection, it has nothing to do with whether women often or typically lie about rape. It does get at the basic legal problem with rape, though – despite what the OP says, it’s hard to prosecute and hard to prove and the whole process is hard on the victim. So “women never lie about rape,” is an argument against “she might be lying,” it’s a way to shift legal proof of innocence to the accused, to spare the woman the indignity of rape kits and testimony. I think the teacher knew it was a flawed principle but saw it as a less flawed principle than the one that makes it easy for rapists to rape. Basically people adopt crazy arguments because they need an answer. There’s no good way to handle rape in the court system. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/102 "2010-03-02T14:18:09Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Not to mention awash in misogyny. If it were just the misogynists who were being crazy hostile, I’d be a lot less surprised. It’s not. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/103 "2010-03-02T16:39:38Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > We wouldn’t be having these problems if a) the media held the accusers to the same standards of reporting as the do those accused and b) the courts brought charges against those knowingly bringing false rape accusations. > > If balloon boy’s mom and dad can be brought to court for their stupid stunt, certainly people lying about a rape charge can be. I agree with this mostly. I think that’s where all of the problems are coming from. I’m a big Lakers fan and I was upset with some of the lurid details that came out of his case in Colorado a few years ago. I don’t think the sides should be treated differently, yet they are. It’s an affront to justice, I think ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933/104 "2010-03-08T02:51:36Z")
[http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004291649\_false19e.html](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004291649_false19e.html) > [@](#): > > A 22-year-old former Woodinville woman pleaded guilty Tuesday to making a false rape accusation against a local college professor last June. > > King County District Court Judge Peter Nault called the case one of the “saddest” he’d ever seen in court and one that is likely to have long-term impact on future investigations. > > “That we hurry to castigate a person who turns out to be entirely innocent … I don’t know how it could be worse,” said Nault, saying the incident will make it harder for real sexual victims to bring their cases forward. > > Nault accepted a guilty plea from Katherine M. Clifton, accused of making false statements to a public servant. > > Those statements led to the rape charge last summer against the professor who subsequently spent nine days in jail and was placed on leave from his job. This is the sound of your world caving in. You MUST be guilty, you’ve got a penis. That’s all it takes. > [@](#): > > “In hindsight, what was presented to us was an allegation of a violent rape,” said Ian Goodhew, deputy chief of staff. “That doesn’t mean the investigation stopped.” > > Clifton was “an extremely articulate and credible victim,” said Sgt. John Urquhart, Sheriff’s Office spokesman. “There was no reason to suspect she wasn’t telling the truth.” In hindsight, you completely took her word for it. You didn’t do a goddamned bit of real investigation, because no proof is required under current law. > [@](#): > > Clifton, who now lives in Ellensburg, was sentenced to serve 365 days in jail, with 357 days suspended, and to pay a $5,000 fine, with $4,750 suspended, plus other conditions that include probation and community service. Nault also ordered her to pay the professor’s attorney fees. Fuckety fuck fuck fuck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-charged-with-murder/529933.md?page=5)