# Lying Whore to get a new title **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 16, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568 "2011-04-16T01:14:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/21 "2013-11-23T20:02:55Z")
> [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](#): > > The lacross players I’ve always assumed came from some rather privileged families. And _that_ was the best they could do for hiring a stipper?:eek: C’mon, it was Duke, not UNLV. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/22 "2013-11-23T21:22:23Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Wait, what? The girl showed up as a hired stripper, they decided they didn’t want her because she was ugly or whatever, SO SHE ACCUSED THEM OF RAPE?! > > Believe it or not, I didn’t follow this story much at all, but let me tell you, I did NOT know that was the story. Holy cow. Well, sort of, but there is more to it than that. The [Wiki article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case) is a reasonable introduction to the whole mess. So no, it is not exactly the story that she cried rape because they didn’t want an ugly stripper. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/23 "2013-11-23T22:09:14Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It’s be interesting to see if they finally decide to toss her in prison now that she’s killed someone, or if they decide to let it slide again until she, say, kills a woman or child instead of a member of the expendable gender. Dude, I don’t know where you’re issues with women come from but I’ll give you some advice. I know it sucks that you haven’t been more successful with women but you have to understand a few things. It’s not them it’s you. You’re not entitled to a hot chick no matter how much society tells men they’re all entitled to one. Finally, women aren’t rejecting or ignoring you because you’re a nerd, or because you come across as too much of a nice guy, or because you don’t have money, or because you’re not good looking enough. They’re rejecting you because you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/24 "2013-11-23T22:29:16Z")
While in general I agree that your assessment of DT’s character may well be spot on, you’re beating the straw man here… not to mention that your scathing retort is two years late. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/25 "2013-11-23T23:03:37Z")
Given **Der Trihs** ’ unshakeable belief that Amerikka cares nothing about the deaths of black men, I wonder how he explains that she is going to prison for stabbing one. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/26 "2013-11-24T10:32:46Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Dude, I don’t know where you’re issues with women come from but I’ll give you some advice. > > I know it sucks that you haven’t been more successful with women but you have to understand a few things. > > It’s not them it’s you. > > You’re not entitled to a hot chick no matter how much society tells men they’re all entitled to one. > > Finally, women aren’t rejecting or ignoring you because you’re a nerd, or because you come across as too much of a nice guy, or because you don’t have money, or because you’re not good looking enough. > > They’re rejecting you because you’re an asshole. And on sober reflection - **Der** has my leave to DIAF any time he sees fit, but until such time as he actually complains about his lack of success with women, the above tirade of horseshit is out of line, and doesn’t actually mean a fucking thing except that you hope that if you screech enough abuse at him he will shut up and go away. It’s not that I’d have the least objection to his doing so, but by Shaitan’s hairy bollocks couldn’t you actually come up with something justifiable to shriek about? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/27 "2013-11-24T13:29:58Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Dude, I don’t know where you’re issues with women come from but I’ll give you some advice. > > I know it sucks that you haven’t been more successful with women but you have to understand a few things. > > It’s not them it’s you. > > You’re not entitled to a hot chick no matter how much society tells men they’re all entitled to one. > > Finally, women aren’t rejecting or ignoring you because you’re a nerd, or because you come across as too much of a nice guy, or because you don’t have money, or because you’re not good looking enough. > > They’re rejecting you because you’re an asshole. This shtick is getting old. When ever someone brings “men’s issues” you retards always trot out this shit. Try something else like debating the point instead of ad hom’s. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/28 "2013-11-24T13:50:39Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > This shtick is getting old. When ever someone brings “men’s issues” you retards always trot out this shit. Try something else like debating the point instead of ad hom’s. Excuse me, I’ve worked with developmentally delayed persons, and I’ll thank you not to insult them by lumping them in with **Ibn Warraq**. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/29 "2013-11-24T13:56:29Z")
Yeah, you’re right. Could be **Der Trihs** is a real pussy hound. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/30 "2013-11-24T15:19:32Z")
Yes, he could. That’s exactly the point being made here. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/31 "2013-11-24T21:24:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Well, sort of, but there is more to it than that. The [Wiki article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case) is a reasonable introduction to the whole mess. > > So no, it is not exactly the story that she cried rape because they didn’t want an ugly stripper. > > Regards, > Shodan I didn’t check the wiki article, but I seem to remember that the first time she mentioned rape was when she was about to be taken into custody by police who were _called at behest of the second stripper_ at a local supermarket. After crying rape, she was instead taken for a medical exam. A few days later, she supposedly told a bouncer at the strip club where she worked that she was going to “get paid by some white boys”. So the rape allegation may also have been an extortion attempt after she thought about her options. Firestorm ensues. I thought the Nancy Grace skit on SNL with Amy Poehler was great, but it doesn’t seem to be available (it’s been a while since I checked). > [@](#): > > Seated in front of a Christmas tree and dressed in business suit, Poehler delivered a “holiday message” with an exaggerated sneer and defended the alleged victim as a “heroic stripper.” > > “In order to make their stories seem credible to investigators, phony rape victims are forced to invent hundreds of false details, any one of which can later be used to prove they are lying,” Poehler said using Grace’s southern drawl. “Real victims, on the other hand, just have to remember stuff.” ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/32 "2013-11-24T23:07:53Z")
Has (former) DA Nifong issued a comment?😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/33 "2013-11-24T23:30:19Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > This shtick is getting old. When ever someone brings “men’s issues” you retards always trot out this shit. Try something else like debating the point instead of ad hom’s. What schtick? Sadly enough the particularly type of sexism DT engages in usually comes from a lack of success with women and fits perfectly the “nice guy” profile. Beyond that how old are you? I thought most people stopped calling others “retards” once they got out of high school, though I’ll freely say I do love the irony of being called a “retard” by someone who then condemns the use of “ad hom’s(sic)”. You do know what “ad hom’s(sic)” refers to don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/34 "2013-11-24T23:34:33Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Has (former) DA Nifong issued a comment?😉 Last I heard he was completely broke so I suspect he’s trying to stay out of the lime light as much as possible. The case does raise the obvious question that if she had been prosecuted for false accusations and put in jail would her boyfriend still be alive? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/35 "2013-11-25T01:52:22Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Excuse me, I’ve worked with developmentally delayed persons, and I’ll thank you not to insult them by lumping them in with **Ibn Warraq**. :mad: Developmentally delayed. Man, I really dislike that term. News flash: the vast majority of them are never going to catch up, my niece included. She’s 52 and it’s still like dealing with an eight-year old. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/36 "2013-11-25T02:08:14Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Developmentally delayed. Man, I really dislike that term. News flash: the vast majority of them are never going to catch up, my niece included. She’s 52 and it’s still like dealing with an eight-year old. I’d never even heard that term before. I thought it was “developmentally disabled”. Sadly, we keep having to come up with new terms because all the various medical terms(idiot, imbecile, moron, and now retard) keep getting used as insults. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/37 "2013-11-25T02:15:09Z")
DD is PC term for retarded, but look that word up in a French dictionary to see what it means. Pretty much the same thing. Idiot, imbecile, and moron are not so polite in French. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/38 "2013-11-25T03:21:39Z")
[http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn\_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20222/glaeser%20on%20optimal%20punishments.pdf](http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/glenn_loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20222/glaeser%20on%20optimal%20punishments.pdf) It’s quite clear that US society punishes killers of white women more harshly than killers of anyone else. Killers of black men receive the weakest punishments. Der Trihs is also spot on wrt to female felons getting weaker punishments than men would for the same crime. There is, in fact, an intense reluctance to give female murderers the death penalty under any circumstances. Now, I have no idea how much DT gets laid. Probably no more or no less than any of the other board denizens. (In general, message board debaters aren’t pulling a lot of chicks.) It’s fairly obvious, though, that young women dig charismatic sociopaths, especially those with high status. > **[Why Do Girls Still Like Chris Brown?](https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/why-do-girls-still-like-chris-brown)** > > He's cast as a villain by the media after assaulting his on-and-off girlfriend Rihanna, but his overwhelmingly female fan community is just as rabid as ever. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/39 "2013-11-25T10:04:27Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Developmentally delayed. Man, I really dislike that term. News flash: the vast majority of them are never going to catch up, my niece included. She’s 52 and it’s still like dealing with an eight-year old. Agreed. Okay, I used to work with retards (tho’ you may be sure I never used the term in their hearing for any reason, nor referred to them as such to anyone). The rest of the comment still follows. As for **Ibn Warraq** , it’s a well-known fact that white-knighting women on message boards is a standard tactic for dweebs to try to get themselves some pusseh. Never works, though. ETA: Of course, “retarded” is just another way of saying “delayed”, as in ignition timing in a car. Still carries the false assumption they’re going to catch up. Ones I worked with, we figured if they could be taught how to catch a bus and buy stuff in a shop we had achieved a laudable goal; but I’d rip the beating heart out of anyone who hurt them. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2013, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568/40 "2013-11-25T15:09:42Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Agreed. Okay, I used to work with retards (tho’ you may be sure I never used the term in their hearing for any reason, nor referred to them as such to anyone). The rest of the comment still follows. > > As for **Ibn Warraq** , it’s a well-known fact that white-knighting women on message boards is a standard tactic for dweebs to try to get themselves some pusseh. Never works, though. > > ETA: Of course, “retarded” is just another way of saying “delayed”, as in ignition timing in a car. Still carries the false assumption they’re going to catch up. Ones I worked with, we figured if they could be taught how to catch a bus and buy stuff in a shop we had achieved a laudable goal; but I’d rip the beating heart out of anyone who hurt them. My niece lives on her own, has a car and a job and will retire with a government pension as a GS-2. The enormous amount of work and support that went into her being in that position is invisible to most of the world around her. Everyone thinks that she’s so brave and special, and have no idea that the truly special people are her family, who have dealt with every screaming meltdown, every would-be predator, the annual “but what about MY birthday” crying jags and dozens of other issues. Her finances were strictly controlled by her mother (now deceased), and now by her siblings, who have guardianship of her. She is mentally handicapped, which I believe is the best descriptive for anyone who has those sorts of problems. Couching it in polite PC terms is only for us, not for them. When her mother died a few weeks ago, her response was, basically, “Well, who is going to make Christmas cookies?” Sorry for the sidetrack; I return you all to the lying whore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore-to-get-a-new-title/578568.md?page=3)