# Lying whore. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153 "2006-04-10T22:26:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Campion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@Campion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Campion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/221 "2006-04-13T04:22:26Z")
> [@astro](#): > > - No DNA evidence (at all) found despite clams of gang rape > > - Purported photographic evidence of her arrival prior to entertaing that she was “impaired” and her legs were banged up before she even started dancing. > > - Supposedly “grinning” while trying to get back into the house > > - History of conviction for stealing a car and almost running down a policeman several 6 years ago - did some time for it For those keeping score at home, file these items under “reasons why I’m glad we have rules of evidence.” > [@you with the face](#): > > I’m disappointed that I and a few others are the only Dopers in this thread challenging your stupid inferences. This bothers me because if we were talking about any other subject it wouldn’t be this way. I’m glad you’re taking him on. I don’t have the stomach for it. Arguing with irrationality is quite wearying. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/222 "2006-04-13T04:30:46Z")
> [@Mister Falcon](#): > > Wow, statistics are being used. Awesome. > > Currently, the “black” population in the U.S. stands around 12%. Without the historical incidence of white men raping black women, what would that number be? 5%? 3%? > > Attempting to apply broad statistical variables to a single incident isn’t just folly, it’s dishonest. I just know you have a cite for your made-up projections. No? Oh well, why would you? No one else aside from me does. The social, economic, and cultural dynamics that (may have) made it predictable that a rural 1855 slaveholder in a frigid marriage might (statistically, predictably, exploitatively) find his peons his most-attractive sexual option have not existed for well over 100 years. Thus the predictive value of such (ancient) patterns on contemporary behaviors is nil. The statistics I cited were three (not 103) years old. They strongly suggest that Bad White Men (who do exist – some of them are per the DOJ off raping whites, but not raping black gals) do not CURRENTLY see black girls as a preferential target. Read, peoples. ---
**Author:** ![hawksgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ed655f/32.png) [@hawksgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawksgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/223 "2006-04-13T06:51:51Z")
First off, an estimated [58% of rapes go unreported](http://www.rainn.org/statistics/) . > [@](#): > > Myth: Women often lie about being raped to get revenge, for their own benefit or because they changed their minds afterwards. > Reality: Only 2% of reported rapes are false accusations. Most women will not lie about being raped for any reason. [Cite](http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/myths.php) I would bet that their cites are good. I found more of the same, but from Canada, so I’m sure you would say how our women are more spiteful, etc. And for the record, my earlier statements assumed that there was evidence of rape to start with. I didn’t see the police collecting DNA for a clean rape kit and lack of trauma. And if you insist on assuming that half of rapes are false, then you must concede that half (or more) are real. Of course, no one would believe them with all those lying whores crying rape all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/224 "2006-04-13T12:36:55Z")
> [@hawksgirl](#): > > [Cite](http://sa.rochester.edu/masa/myths.php) I would bet that their cites are good. Well, I’m glad you “would bet” that. The source I cited had lots and lots of citations. Yours has . . . blind faith! You win! ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/225 "2006-04-13T12:38:52Z")
> [@Campion](#): > > For those keeping score at home, file these items under “reasons why I’m glad we have rules of evidence.” > I’m glad you’re taking him on. I don’t have the stomach for it. Arguing with irrationality is quite wearying. My sympathy for you is infinite. Which does not mean I don’t take your failure to counter my specific data with anything as a concession that I am right, and you are a mediocre ideologue. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/226 "2006-04-13T12:43:14Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Well at this juncture the following scenario appears to be shaping up > > - All white members of the team give up DNA withtout a peep - Lawyers declare adamantly (prior to results) that nothing will be found > > - No DNA evidence (at all) found despite clams of gang rape > > - Purported photographic evidence of her arrival prior to entertaing that she was “impaired” and her legs were banged up before she even started dancing. > > - Supposedly “grinning” while trying to get back into the house > > - History of conviction for stealing a car and almost running down a policeman several 6 years ago - did some time for it > > * * * > > Unless there’s some stone cold evidence that she was actually raped that hasn’t been presented yet this case really doesn’t appear to have much traction **astro** , is it coincidental that the more evidence that emerges seeming to point toward Hypothesis B (the “Tawana Brawley Hypothesis”), the more bitter and angry the recriminations on SDMB become? Inquiring minds like mine, they want to know. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/227 "2006-04-13T12:53:09Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > You know what part of your username I’m alluding to. Uh, no, I do not. As far as I can tell, you hate Cubans and the [former placekicker for the University of Miami.](http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/1991/october_5_1991_165696.html) > [@](#): > > I never challenged it. I didn’t even bother looking at it, to be honest. It’s nice to have an explicit admission that your official position is that of willfully-ignorant > [@](#): > > To address another stupid inference you made earlier about the 50% false reporting rate at college campuses: in order to conclude that a given charge has a 50% likelihood of being false based on that statistic, you have to assume that all reports of college rape are essentially the same. But they’re not. You have date rape, acquaintance rape, gang rape, jumped-by-a-man-in-an-alley rape. You have rape in which drugs played a role and you have rape in which it did not. You have false accusations that are made as acts of revenge and some made for other reasons, like to cover up “naughty girl” behavior. No two reports are likely to be exactly alike. Great. We don’t know which of these scenarios applies. The rate could be greater or less than 50%. Let’s use the reported data as a default **in the absence of better data, for the moment.** > [@](#): > > To say that 50% of these allegations are false is not wrong, if the data bears this out. What _is_ wrong is using that information to conclude that any given allegation has a 50% chance of being wrong. Allegations in which drugs are involved may have only a 20% rate of being false, while other types of allegations may have a higher rate. Therefore, if a given allegation has drug involvement, it is inaccurate to conclude it is 50% likely that the accuser is lying. A closer look at the specifics of the case may reveal other data that lends credibility to the allegation, which renders even the 20% statistic irrelevant. Do you have any evidence drugs were involved? No? We don’t know yet? Then, we revert to the default data. > [@](#): > > Your inferences, in other words, are stupid. I wish I wasn’t the only Doper with the balls to point this out. You are the ONLY DOPER WITH BALLS, PERIOD. You rock, so much. Your balls are HUGE. Satisfied? > [@](#): > > Who the fuck cares what “the feminists” think? If “the feminists” are anything like “the protesters” you talked about back on page 4, then I’m certain neither one of them will care what I think either. > > I’m curious as to what data led you to this conclusion. Since you’re big on data, I’m sure you’ll let me know. This is the part that proves (to me) that you are not very intelligent. Could you not tell I was being [sarcastic]/[/sarcastic]? Are you that obtuse? I (obviously) don’t care what the feminists think either – maybe that’s not a surprise? I was making the point that your otherwise-P.C. rants were not very P.C. on the issue of desire having anything to do with rape. I don’t (in fact) believe that desire is divorced from rape. But you’ve aligned yourself with a crowd who does. We’ll see how that shakes out. Hey, I’m still managing this without calling you “stupid.” Wow. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/228 "2006-04-13T13:00:42Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > **astro** , is it coincidental that the more evidence that emerges seeming to point toward Hypothesis B (the “Tawana Brawley Hypothesis”), the more bitter and angry the recriminations on SDMB become? Since when does stuff like “she was supposedly grinning” and “purported photographs” count as emerging evidence? If this information is coming from the defense, then clearly it is not impartial. I wonder if you believed OJ when he said he was 100% absolutely not guilty, 'cause afterall the stats should have told you that the murder rate for retired football players was practically nill back then. The only people are who are angry in this thread are folks like the OP who have branded the accuser a lying whore, by the way. The name-calling and condemnation seems to be coming from only one side of the debate. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/229 "2006-04-13T13:01:59Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Do you have any evidence drugs were involved? No? We don’t know yet? Then, we revert to the default data. I have given up on you. Bye. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/230 "2006-04-13T13:07:41Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > Since when does stuff like “she was supposedly grinning” and “purported photographs” count as emerging evidence? If this information is coming from the defense, then clearly it is not impartial. I wonder if you believed OJ when he said he was 100% absolutely not guilty, 'cause afterall the stats should have told you that the murder rate for retired football players was practically nill back then. > > The only people are who are angry in this thread are folks like the OP who have branded the accuser a lying whore, by the way. The name-calling and condemnation seems to be coming from only one side of the debate. You will note that the “grinning” point, and the supposed DNA report quoted by **Sahky Jake** , are not among the sources on which I rely. Hmm. You’ve called me “stupid” repeatedly, and implied that I am a racist for citing government statistics (that you don’t and can’t factually dispute) on rape (by the way, if I were a real racist, I would have cited the statistics showing that while interracial rape by whites-on-blacks is statiscally non-existent, the opposite is far from true – but I did not, because it was not germane to my argument). Who is “angry” and indulging in “name-calling,” again? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/231 "2006-04-13T13:09:05Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > I have given up on you. Bye. Great! Apology accepted. And I’ll take that as a definitive admission that you gots nothing, nowhere. Because you sure as Hell haven’t brought it to the table here. Bye now! ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/232 "2006-04-13T13:20:15Z")
Dude for all I know, your statistical inferences may be sound…I’m certainly not here to quibble about that. But why do all that stuff when all you have to do is wait for the _evidence_ for _this_ case to come out? It’s an open case, it’s widely reported in the media (which of course should be viewed critically), and there should be sufficient info forthcoming in the next few days. And it’s not just you. There’s a bunch of She’s a lying whore/They’re a bunch of monsters woofing going on, which I suppose is natural, but regardless of feelings, lawyer’s media statements or statistics, _we simply don’t know what really happened yet_. Why can’t we just wait and see? Is that really so hard? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/233 "2006-04-13T13:24:41Z")
> [@An Arky](#): > > Dude for all I know, your statistical inferences may be sound…I’m certainly not here to quibble about that. But why do all that stuff when all you have to do is wait for the _evidence_ for _this_ case to come out? It’s an open case, it’s widely reported in the media (which of course should be viewed critically), and there should be sufficient info forthcoming in the next few days. > > And it’s not just you. There’s a bunch of She’s a lying whore/They’re a bunch of monsters woofing going on, which I suppose is natural, but regardless of feelings, lawyer’s media statements or statistics, _we simply don’t know what really happened yet_. Why can’t we just wait and see? Is that really so hard? Uh, the OP was inveighing against the rush-to-judgment **against** the guys. That’s what I was joining in. And, some of the evidence is coming out. What’s out so far does not, putting it charitably, move the ball forward for the prosecution. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/234 "2006-04-13T13:45:15Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > Since when does stuff like “she was supposedly grinning” and “purported photographs” count as emerging evidence? If this information is coming from the defense, then clearly it is not impartial. I wonder if you believed OJ when he said he was 100% absolutely not guilty, 'cause afterall the stats should have told you that the murder rate for retired football players was practically nill back then. > > The only people are who are angry in this thread are folks like the OP who have branded the accuser a lying whore, by the way. The name-calling and condemnation seems to be coming from only one side of the debate. You’re right it could all be a smokescreen, and she might have been raped and this is a diabolical tactic by the defense to confuse things, but the defense claims to date (ie “No DNA at all will be found - Period”) have been borne out so far, and there is (so far as news reports indicate) no one accused who refusing to cooperate with the DNA requests. It would be odd that the defense would be so adamant that here is important photographic evidence of her pre-existing “rape injuries” and general attitude if these did not exist. And… I don’t know if it will be allowed in evidence, but the story about the stripper lap dance, stolen cab, police chase, jail time scenario is (to me) indicative of a somewhat unstable person who might do any or all sorts of crazy crap including making a false accusation if she was under stress. She might have be raped, who knows for sure at this juncture, but from a practical arms length view, however, the case does not appear to be shaping up in her favor. ---
**Author:** ![Campion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@Campion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Campion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/235 "2006-04-13T13:52:04Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > My sympathy for you is infinite. Which does not mean I don’t take your failure to counter my specific data with anything as a concession that I am right, and you are a mediocre ideologue. And you, my dear, are stercoraceous. There has been a continuing attempt in this thread to have you address the points and arguments made by others. Your resistance to doing so has become comical. I am not surprised that **you with the face** has finally bowed out. The fact that you have accused me of being an ideologue demonstrates most plainly that you lack fundamental critical thinking and reading skills, or, at best, you’ve failed to honestly engage whatever skills you may have. I have failed “to counter [your] specific data” because your specific data is irrelevant. I understand that you can’t grasp that simple point. I won’t argue it with you, because you’ve demonstrated that there’s no point in doing so. The “ideology” that I and others have advocated, and that you in your rush to demonstrate your superior google skills have refused to acknowledge, is that in _this case_ we still lack fundamental evidence or information that would inform our judgment, and we ought to wait until that evidence is out there before reaching a conclusion. That you are willing to write this case off based on statistics and the statements of defense lawyers is unfortunate. As for me, I’ll wait for evidence. I’m a bit nutty that way. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/236 "2006-04-13T13:53:24Z")
> [@Campion](#): > > I agree that your reading of the situation is rational, but it seems to me that there are still questions to be answered, **Shaky Jake** ’s interesting post notwithstanding. I can’t find that post. Can you point me to it? ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/237 "2006-04-13T13:55:17Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Uh, the OP was inveighing against the rush-to-judgment **against** the guys. That’s what I was joining in. And, some of the evidence is coming out. What’s out so far does not, putting it charitably, move the ball forward for the prosecution. No, I’m not talking about that; I’m talking about spending _hours_ digging up statistics/arguing with people instead of just waiting for the facts to actually come out. Not just you; people on either side doing a lot of wheel spinning is just a waste of effort. There are certainly other issues worthy of discussion/debate, such as trying the case in the media and the guilty-until-proven-innocent aspect of the coach having to resign/the teams season being cancelled. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care who started it. ---
**Author:** ![Campion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@Campion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Campion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/238 "2006-04-13T14:04:58Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I can’t find that post. Can you point me to it? :eek: It’s gone! How did that happen? It appeared either right before my post about it or two posts before my post about it. That’s crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/239 "2006-04-13T14:05:38Z")
> [@Campion](#): > > And you, my dear, are stercoraceous. > There has been a continuing attempt in this thread to have you address the points and arguments made by others. Your resistance to doing so has become comical. Which point or argument have I not addressed? Chirp chirp. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/240 "2006-04-13T14:07:56Z")
> [@Campion](#): > > :eek: It’s gone! How did that happen? It appeared either right before my post about it or two posts before my post about it. That’s crazy. Musta beena sock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=13)