# Lying whore. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153 "2006-04-10T22:26:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/661 "2006-05-02T03:24:45Z")
“Shabazz said the community has eight demands, among them a trial **and conviction** for the defendants in the case and that the expulsion from school of the students and others involved.” (bolding mine) Seriously. Demanding a conviction. Even if there was DNA evidence and eyewitnesses, if you demand a conviction, you’re an ass. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/662 "2006-05-02T05:00:16Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Several interesting motions have been filed by the defense, including asking for the removal of Nifong from the case. [Cite.](http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=1909167&page=1) [http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/01/duke.team.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/01/duke.team.ap/index.html) > [@](#): > > “They don’t want to go up against me,” Nifong said when asked outside court Monday about the defense request for his removal. He has denied any political motivation behind his investigation. Is this tough-talk coming from the little pansy-ass who on Friday was desperately promising (on the dumbest of dumb-fuck legal “reasoning”) that he could suppress any impeachment evidence from the previous unsubstantiated gang rape allegation? Yeah, he sounds like a REAL MAN who wants to get in the ARENA and fucking . . . hide behind (non-applicable) procedural provisions to bolster his only witness’s (increasingly iffy) credibility? BOOYAH! Wait, could it be the eve of election that’s bringing out this pitiable posturing? Meanwhile, what’s up with [this](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/01/duke.rape.ap/index.html)? > [@](#): > > District Attorney Mike Nifong faces a primary election Tuesday that could decide whether he remains in office. He has denied any political motivation behind his aggressive investigation and has rarely spoken publicly about the case. Nice journalism, AP. If you’d been paying attention to the (by some accounts dozens of) press conferences/pep rallies this numbnuts held in the first few weeks, you might have given a second thought to that “rarely spoken publicly about the case,” or might have amended it to “did nothing but speak publicly about the case until the DNA results came back.” ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/663 "2006-05-02T21:41:36Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Nice journalism, AP. If you’d been paying attention to the (by some accounts dozens of) press conferences/pep rallies this numbnuts held in the first few weeks, you might have given a second thought to that “rarely spoken publicly about the case,” or might have amended it to “did nothing but speak publicly about the case until the DNA results came back.” About six dozen, actually. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/664 "2006-05-03T23:08:03Z")
Well, her name has been released. This seems fair, as the Duke guys got on the cover of Newsweek. Doing a Google search will bring up the name with some history on her. It turns out she wasn’t just some local exotic dancer. She worked for an escort service based in New Jersey. So, wouldn’t she then be a prostitute? ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/665 "2006-05-03T23:22:08Z")
> [@HubZilla](#): > > Well, her name has been released. This seems fair, as the Duke guys got on the cover of Newsweek. > > Doing a Google search will bring up the name with some history on her. It turns out she wasn’t just some local exotic dancer. She worked for an escort service based in New Jersey. So, wouldn’t she then be a prostitute? Turning what was once an embarassment of a thread title to at least 50% factual. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/666 "2006-05-04T13:38:56Z")
This, if true, is almost beyond comprehension. [Link.](http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27265499.shtml) > [@](#): > > Duke Rape Prosecutor Shares Evidence with Black Panthers > By Jim Kouri > May 2, 2006 > > Malik Zulu Shabazz, an attorney with the New Black Panthers, told Fox News Channel Tuesday that the prosecutor in the Duke rape case shared information and evidence with the Panthers during a meeting. > > In an interview with Fox News Channel’s Brian Kilmeade and Juliet Huddy, Shabazz said that members of his group, who are protesting the treatment of the alleged victim of a rape by the Duke University lacrosse team, met with the prosecutor to review his evidence against the students. > > Shabazz claims the evidence shows the white lacrosse players are guilty of sexually assaulting the victim, who’s a black woman. > > When Fox’s Kilmeade told the Black Panther leader that the victim’s father didn’t want them in Durham, Shabazz said that the victim’s father should keep his mouth shut. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/667 "2006-05-04T14:11:45Z")
> [@HubZilla](#): > > …She worked for an escort service based in New Jersey… Cite? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/668 "2006-05-04T14:34:09Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Cite? > > CMC fnord! Cite for the escort service, or that it was based in New Jersey? It is absolutely unquestioned that she went to the house as a result of a call to an escort service. Google “Duke accuser escort” for more cites than you can shake a stick at. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/669 "2006-05-04T16:52:21Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Cite? > > CMC fnord! While there is some controversy over whether it’s right to publish the name, there are some sources out there. Personally, I think it’s okay to release her name, after all, the accused have their names published and splashed on Newsweek. Either hide both parties or reveal both. [More info than you’d ever want](http://www.dilby.com/duke-lacrosse-team-accuser.htm). And a [wikipedia talk page](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crystal_Gail_Mangum). ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/670 "2006-05-06T19:25:03Z")
Nifong is holding out the potential of further DNA evidence by ca. May 15. > **[Newsday | Long Island's & NYC's News Source](https://www.newsday.com)** > > Breaking News, data & opinions in business, sports, entertainment, travel, lifestyle, plus much more. Newsday.com is the leading news source for Long Island & NYC. Hmm. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/671 "2006-05-07T12:40:46Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > Nifong is holding out the potential of further DNA evidence by ca. May 15. > > [http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--durhamda0503may03,0,6535436.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork](http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--durhamda0503may03,0,6535436.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork) > > Hmm. We’ll see. Per that article the trial is a year away. > [@](#): > > In an interview on MSNBC on Wednesday night, Nifong said he would personally try the case, which he said he expected to go to trial in the spring of 2007. Incredible. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/672 "2006-05-08T22:36:09Z")
[http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/05/08/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html?cnn=yes](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/05/08/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html?cnn=yes) So her initial report was that 20 white guys raped her, but she scaled it back to a much more modest three (the same as her last gang rape ten years ago). Meanwhile, this report (well, the characterization of it), in discussing whether Duke “overreacted” or “underreacted” to the allegation sounds oddly agnostic on whether the allegation was plausible/true. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/673 "2006-05-09T15:47:26Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > [http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/05/08/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html?cnn=yes](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/05/08/duke.lacrosse.ap/index.html?cnn=yes) > > So her initial report was that 20 white guys raped her, but she scaled it back to a much more modest three (the same as her last gang rape ten years ago). > > Meanwhile, this report (well, the characterization of it), in discussing whether Duke “overreacted” or “underreacted” to the allegation sounds oddly agnostic on whether the allegation was plausible/true. When this thread started my main complaint was in the way the DA had handled things from the first. I suspected that the rape charges were bogus, but I was prepared to discover otherwise. It certainly seemed possible that _something_ nasty had happened, be it rough treatment by the drunken students, threats, racist remarks, etc. But this … how in the world can anyone take her story seriously? Twenty guys raped her? Ooops, bad math, 'twas only three after all? This DA is a loony. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/674 "2006-05-09T15:48:54Z")
P.S. And he is going to make these guys wait a \*year \*to clear their names. Unfucking believable. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/675 "2006-05-09T16:29:35Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > This DA is a loony. Is he? He won his election. He’s on chatty terms with the Black Panthers (according to them), and they and Jesse Jackson and the other race hustlers aren’t picketing his house. He’s got Duke issuing a report apparently beating its breast for relying on “secondhand” (i.e., police-gathered) evaluation’s of the accuser’s credibility, and excoriating itself for not having a more “diverse” group evaluate the (presumptively credible) charges. I don’t see a loon. I see an ugly little redneck cocksucker who’s crassly calculated that he has something to gain and not much to lose by throwing this up against the wall and seeing if it sticks. I see a third-rate crap lawyer in the backwoods with small-time political aspirations who may actually have believed some “criminology” class that told him rape victims never lie. I see a mean, smug little small-town tyrant who doesn’t much care about collateral damage that might be caused by his refusal to back down from a position that he probably wouldn’t have taken if he’d been a little less lazy, studied a little harder in law school, and been better at his job. So . . . selfish, yes, unprofessional, definitely, deeply ignorant, perhaps, amoral, maybe – but loony? Not really. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/676 "2006-05-09T18:03:44Z")
Just as a bit of black humor: Anyone want to take bets on whether dumbfuck Nifong invokes the “rape shield” as excluding evidence of her initial report of 20 rapists? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/677 "2006-05-09T20:25:11Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > I don’t see a loon. I see an ugly little redneck cocksucker who’s crassly calculated that he has something to gain and not much to lose by throwing this up against the wall and seeing if it sticks. I see a third-rate crap lawyer in the backwoods with small-time political aspirations who may actually have believed some “criminology” class that told him rape victims never lie. I see a mean, smug little small-town tyrant who doesn’t much care about collateral damage that might be caused by his refusal to back down from a position that he probably wouldn’t have taken if he’d been a little less lazy, studied a little harder in law school, and been better at his job. > > So . . . selfish, yes, unprofessional, definitely, deeply ignorant, perhaps, amoral, maybe – but loony? Not really. The odd thing is that by all (non-partisan) accounts he is a fair-minded, deliberate thinker. I admit my characterization of him as “loony” more nearly reflects my incomprehension at his behavior than a judgment of the man himself. Durham may be a small town by some standards, but the Reasearch Triangle area is hardly “backwoods.” ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/678 "2006-05-09T20:38:42Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > The odd thing is that by all (non-partisan) accounts he is a fair-minded, deliberate thinker. I admit my characterization of him as “loony” more nearly reflects my incomprehension at his behavior than a judgment of the man himself. > > Durham may be a small town by some standards, but the Reasearch Triangle area is hardly “backwoods.” Well… as shaky as I think the claims in the case might be, given the overall community context of how it played out Nifong may be a pandering weasel, but in terms of managing his losses now that his case is unraveling like a bad sweater, delay is the only viable strategy for him if he intends on somehow trying to save face. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/679 "2006-05-09T21:18:40Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Well… as shaky as I think the claims in the case might be, given the overall community context of how it played out Nifong may be a pandering weasel, but in terms of managing his losses now that his case is unraveling like a bad sweater, delay is the only viable strategy for him if he intends on somehow trying to save face. Oh, I agree. I guess “loony” was a bad word. I just cannot fathom how he got into this position, given the initial police reports. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/680 "2006-05-09T21:35:58Z")
I just need to get this off my chest: I really, really, really, really fucking cannot stand Huerta88 and his OBVIOUS misogyny, which I base not on his position, but his attitude, his frighteningly shrill tone, and bizarre obsession with women’s studies and how poor widdle men are victimized by feminism, among other things. Am I going to devote a pitting to it, or even come back here to back it up? Nope. I would give myself a nervous breakdown if I tried, and probably end up banned. But he’s a trog and a pig, it’s obvious, and I hate him. I’d probably hate anyone who could look at his posts (in this thread alone) without at least thinking maybe he has a few issues with women, in fact. That’s all I have to say about that. I feel much better now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=35)