# Lying whore. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153 "2006-04-10T22:26:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1281 "2006-06-04T15:29:19Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > What do you mean? What do you want me to put up? You’ve registered as “bored mathemetician” apparently for the sole purpose of posting to this thread in support of **Huerta88**. You’ve posted a bunch of nonsense using some statistical terminology. Your manner of using the terminology and the logic you put forth suggests to me that you have no idea what you are talking about. > > What exactly, again, am I supposed to put up? I can tell you I’m not going to put up with your bullshit. I think our new Guest has watched one too many episodes of “NUMB3RS”. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1282 "2006-06-04T15:43:48Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I think our new Guest has watched one too many episodes of “NUMB3RS”. At the risk of developing a tangent better suited for **Cafe Society** (and don’t you hate it when a good pit thread devolves into a Cafe Society discussion?), I have to comment on this. I had such hopes for that show, but never really had the opportunity to watch it much until recently. I have to say, ugh. How disappointing. Talk about introducing theoretical concepts for the sole purpose of confusing simple issues. My favorite was in an episode shown within the last few weeks. They’re tracking some guy in the back woods, and know several paths he takes. The mathemetician suggests that by using bubble theory, they can figure out something about his habits or what not. So they show this drawing that the guy has come up with, which basically says that he used “bubble theory” (with obligatory description of this theory) to figure out that the point in the middle of three places he’s been observed is where they might find him. :smack: This also happens to be the location **of the guy’s house**! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Hakuna\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hakuna\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hakuna_Matata)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1283 "2006-06-04T15:56:04Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > I gotta respond to this because while you say this all nice and sweet and stuff, the fact that you are singling me out for responding with insults speaks loudly of your own bias. > > Just about everyone I’ve been arguing against have called me hateful names. Every one of them. And not just garden variety hateful names. We got brother man **Huerta** slinging racially-charged innuendo right from the gates. We got brother man \*\*Contrapuntual \*\* lashing out in Tourette syndrome-like attacks for no reason. We got brother man **Malacandra** being all condescending with the “Dr” shit (even though not once have I tried to club my doctorate over anyone’s head, _not once_). We got **Ellis Dee** misrepresenting everything that I’ve been saying and doing in this thread. We’ve got **Bricker** and **Trunk** calling me stupid but not daring to step into the debate themselves. We’ve got **Dragon Ash** declaring that I’m a stupid douchebag and inviting everyone to weep for our goddamn gene pool. We have **Weirddave** calling people “lying bitch” in 32-size font. We even have **Crotalus** randomly coming out from no where and accusing me of blowing smoking, when it was clear that I was not. > > But out of all the people in this thread, you single _me_ out for daring to say that some of these idiots deserve to be on a shortbus. In the Pit, no less. > > I never said I was trying to take the high ground. If I’m being attacked, then there’s nothing in **ywtf’s** code of ethics that says she can not respond in kind. So please spare me this lecture. Where were you when **Huerta** dropped that slavemaster rape bomb into the thread? You were no where to be seen. So take your kindly advice somewhere else. Thank you! Well actually I agree with your position–so my bias is your bias. I apologize if you feel I singled you out–that was not my intent. I have actually always enjoyed your posts here. You will see I never made any comment about you calling him a rascist, etc. But your comment was rude to another group of people and it seemed odd to me to hurl those kinds of comments when you are calling somone out as being hurtful. Calling him out with the language he was using seems okay to me–calling him out while insulting another group seems wrong–even in the pit. Just my take–take it with a grain of salt okay. In my opinion the ‘point’ of this debate would have been better served in something like GD or another forum where an actual discussion would have been had rather than degrading into name calling. So perhaps you are correct about this being the pit and all. Still seems you are better served not lowering yourself to that level. well I am out of here–off to the baseball game with my daughter. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1284 "2006-06-04T16:00:49Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > This also happens to be the location **of the guy’s house**! :smack: ::channling Condi Rice:: no one could have possibly predicted that the fugitive would keep in contact w/his family!::/ccr:: (you forgot to mention that the guys spotted evidence of a bullet hitting the roof of the porch that no one else had spotted during the initial investigation - it was, after all, only visible to the naked eye at 40 feet. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1285 "2006-06-04T16:16:48Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > We got brother man \*\*Contrapuntual \*\* lashing out in Tourette syndrome-like attacks for no reason. You slandered me and refused to apologize, and then twisted about like a corkscrew when called on it. I said it was bullshit, and that you are a fucking liar. No Tourette’s needed. I knows shit when I smells it, sister woman. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1286 "2006-06-04T16:31:45Z")
I wish we could stop arguing over who said what and just let the thread die already. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1287 "2006-06-04T16:38:23Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I wish we could stop arguing over who said what and just let the thread die already. > Sheesh. I’ve always found posting to a thread to be a great way of letting it die. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1288 "2006-06-04T16:43:06Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > Just about everyone I’ve been arguing against have called me hateful names. Every one of them. Calling you names? In the Pit? I am truly shocked. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1289 "2006-06-04T16:49:06Z")
> [@Hakuna Matata](#): > > But your comment was rude to another group of people and it seemed odd to me to hurl those kinds of comments when you are calling somone out as being hurtful. You are right. In trying to insult my opponents, I really insulted a bunch of people who don’t deserve it. So pretend I said “stupid trolley” instead. Deal? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1290 "2006-06-04T17:05:53Z")
> [@bored mathematician](#): > > It’s unfortunate that Huerta88 has centered this discussion around race No worries, he hasn’t, that’s just the easy Godwin strawman. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1291 "2006-06-04T17:22:37Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > You are right. In trying to insult my opponents, I really insulted a bunch of people who don’t deserve it. > > So pretend I said “stupid trolley” instead. Deal? 🙂 No deal. Calling people a troll is forbidden. Read the forum rules, and don’t do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1292 "2006-06-04T17:29:25Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > No deal. Calling people a troll is forbidden. Read the forum rules, and don’t do this again. I don’t think she did it here. I think she was backing away (but not really) from implying her opponents (me included, I suspect) were mentally retarded (or, that there was anything wrong with retardation) by providing a synonym for the “short bus” terminology someone objected to. ---
**Author:** ![stretch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stretch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stretch)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1293 "2006-06-04T17:33:08Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > No deal. Calling people a troll is forbidden. Read the forum rules, and don’t do this again. Please reconsider this warning–she is/did not call anyone a troll–she is saying substitute “stupid trolley” for “short bus”. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1294 "2006-06-04T17:33:09Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > No deal. Calling people a troll is forbidden. Read the forum rules, and don’t do this again. How about offering tea with a roll? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1295 "2006-06-04T17:44:15Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > No deal. Calling people a troll is forbidden. Read the forum rules, and don’t do this again. Am I being whooshed? Because this would be a funny joke, if it’s intended as such. But I don’t think it is. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1296 "2006-06-04T17:46:58Z")
My bad, I got a reported post on the topic and misread “trolley” for “trollery”. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1297 "2006-06-04T17:51:51Z")
Have some earl grey and a spiral pecan pastry and have a nice discussion about Neil Gaiman’s “Smoke and Mirrors,” particularly the story between “The Price” and “Don’t Ask Jack.” Fol rol de ol rol. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1298 "2006-06-04T17:59:20Z")
I’m just glad I hadn’t said anything about goats or bridges in that “stupid tr\_lley” post. 'Cause that might have gotten me banned, instead of just warned. Gimme one of those rolls, **Askia.** _takes a big hungry bite_ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1299 "2006-06-04T18:23:12Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > And **crowmanyclouds** wins the thread, ladies and gentleman. Could I have the pony instead? I have a shovel! I hope before this thread dies it’s long overdue death we do get to the details of **Huerta88** ’s uncritical regurgitation of defense sound/text bites, for instance, I’m still waiting for a cite that actually says the “20 men raped me” line was spoken by the accuser. The cite given does not. I’m equally disturbed by the flat out acceptance of the “he never had a mustache” factoid. (To make my point I must broaden the question from mustaches to facial hair.) Hearing this my first question is not did the accused have a mustache, but what does the accuser mean when they describe someone as having one. This [man](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Wheeler.jpg) has a beard (and mustache), does this [one](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Stubbly_face.jpg)? Is that heavy [five o’clock shadow](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_o%27clock_shadow) or a Miami Vice/George Michael “[designer stubble](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designer_stubble)” beard (and mustache)? The truth of her statement is not disproved by the friends of the accused, it’s disproved if the accuser’s description (as fully explained) does not match the facts. If I describe someone as “tall” wouldn’t you need to know what “tall” means to me? If your 6’, 5’6" is short, if your 5’, 5’6" is tall. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1300 "2006-06-04T19:30:06Z")
> [@you with the face](#): > > We got brother man **Malacandra** being all condescending with the “Dr” shit (even though not once have I tried to club my doctorate over anyone’s head, _not once_). I must’ve missed the many posts with the flavour of “I know all about what I’m talking about, so why don’t you come back when you’ve got a clue, honey?”, then. Be it noted that I didn’t pay any attention to your doctorate until after [ol] [li]you’d consigned me to the short bus, and[/li][li]you’d demonstrated an apparently weak grasp of mathematics, unfitting your degree and your professional standing, and[/li][li]Hi, Opal![/li][/ol] So it looks like _I/_ get to play the “Poor little me didn’t insult no-one 'til I’d been insulted first, no me didn’t” card, huh? 😛 Incidentally, I can’t be arsed to dig back all the way to yesterday for the post in question, but the guy ( **John Mace**?) who was arguing that if there are ten times as many white women as black in the town, a randomly-selected white woman is more likely to be a rape liar than a randomly-selected black woman. If the incidence of lying is the same per head whether white or black (given in the hypothetical), then the fact that there are ten times as many white rape-cryers in town as black is exactly offset by the fact that there are ten times as many white women as black. I hope we don’t need a detailed breakdown of this highly obvious fact. (OTOH, a randomly-selected rape liar is ten times as likely to be white as black - but that’s another pail of pilchards.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=66)