# Lying whore. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153 "2006-04-10T22:26:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2006, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1401 "2006-06-24T21:17:37Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] Is there anyone left in this thread who: a) believes the accuser in any material detail, or b) believes that the prosecution has a decent chance of persuading a jury beyond a reasonable doubt? [/QUOTE] What is still driving this case. Nifong has already won the election, he is considered an honorary black man, yadda yadda yadda. Why is he still on about it? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2006, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1402 "2006-06-25T00:10:50Z")
[QUOTE=EJsGirl] DAs are elected. I imagine that even without the national coverage, it would certainly be a big enough local event for a DA to pursue it. [/QUOTE] I guess what I meant to ask is that does the DA have enough evidence, assuming the public was not a consideration at all, that the the case should be persued? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2006, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1403 "2006-06-25T01:37:06Z")
Of course he has enough evidence to proceed. Does he have enough to convict? Sure doesn’t sound like it, but you never know. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1404 "2006-08-07T05:18:15Z")
[QUOTE=giuseppe] A few new versions of the accuser’s story have come out: That there were 4 dancers at the party (Precious, Nikki, Angel, and Kimmy); and that she was attacked by 5 guys. [http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/pdf/cheshire\_letter.pdf](http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/pdf/cheshire_letter.pdf) [/QUOTE] [http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/468272.html](http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/468272.html) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1405 "2006-08-08T13:27:25Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] What is still driving this case. Nifong has already won the election, he is considered an honorary black man, yadda yadda yadda. Why is he still on about it? Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] Best guess? He can’t just back away from it now; he’s invested too much of his image. He needs to go to trial. Then he can lose, and say that he tried. If the judge rules any of his more outrageous stunts inadmissible, there’s a possible scapegoat right there – etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1406 "2006-08-08T13:55:02Z")
[QUOTE=Huerta88] [http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/468272.html](http://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/468272.html) [/QUOTE] The N&O submits a correction. [http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/468272.html](http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/468272.html) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1407 "2006-08-08T14:24:34Z")
On ESPN yesterday they mentioned that the coach who resigned (Pressman?) just got a new job at a school in the AA conference. Possibly Rochester, though I’m not 100% sure. It was also mentioned that he had been the lacrosse coach at Duke for 16 years. I’m thinking that the Rochester (or wherever he is now) program will experience marked improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1408 "2006-08-08T15:01:47Z")
Pressler is now the coach at Bryant University in Rhode Island. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1409 "2006-08-08T15:09:48Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] Best guess? He can’t just back away from it now; he’s invested too much of his image. He needs to go to trial. Then he can lose, and say that he tried. If the judge rules any of his more outrageous stunts inadmissible, there’s a possible scapegoat right there – etc, etc. [/QUOTE] The unnerving thing is that this might turn out like the OJ trial - where what seemed to be obvious facts were disregarded on apparently racial grounds. What if Nifong finds twelve people as idiotic as the OJ jurors, and they vote to convict? If the electorate of his county are dumb enough to support him for re-election based on his actions to date, what are the odds that they are dumb enough to convict someone based on his actions at trial? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1410 "2006-08-08T15:32:23Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] The unnerving thing is that this might turn out like the OJ trial - where what seemed to be obvious facts were disregarded on apparently racial grounds. [/quote] I know what you mean, man. Sure, Furhman was shown to be a lying, racist scumbag who admitted on tape to fabricating probable cause in cases involving black guys, but the jury really should have overlooked that. Who cares if the guy was the lead investigator? Just a bit part, really. So what if all the evidence he came in contact with became suspect once it came out that he was a lying, law-breaking son of a bitch? The jury was just a pack of race-blinded idiots, each and every one, even the two white ones and the Latino! > [@](#): > > If the electorate of his county are dumb enough to support him for re-election based on his actions to date, what are the odds that they are dumb enough to convict someone based on his actions at trial? I don’t know. What are the odds of you conceding that perhaps other people may be more qualified than you in determining what happened on the night in question? ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1411 "2006-08-08T15:46:27Z")
Hmmm… Not my area. **Bricker** , may a prosector insist on a jury if the defendant waives and requests a bench trial?? ---
**Author:** ![psychloan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4bbf92/32.png) [@psychloan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychloan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1412 "2006-08-08T16:00:39Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] The unnerving thing is that this might turn out like the OJ trial - where what seemed to be obvious facts were disregarded on apparently racial grounds. What if Nifong finds twelve people as idiotic as the OJ jurors, and they vote to convict? If the electorate of his county are dumb enough to support him for re-election based on his actions to date, what are the odds that they are dumb enough to convict someone based on his actions at trial? Regards, Shodan [/QUOTE] If it happens, then the courts will find an excuse to vacate the verdict and order a new trial. The defendants are obviously innocent and a conviction would not be allowed to stand. Mainly because it would make the North Carolina justice system look bad. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1413 "2006-08-08T16:20:03Z")
[QUOTE=Random] Hmmm… Not my area. **Bricker** , may a prosector insist on a jury if the defendant waives and requests a bench trial?? [/QUOTE] In Virgina, and I suspect everywhere else as well… yes. The right to a jury trial belongs to both sides, and both must waive it. In the vast majority of cases, of course, the Commonwealth would be only too happy to have a bench trial. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1414 "2006-08-08T17:03:44Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] I know what you mean, man. Sure, Furhman was shown to be a lying, racist scumbag who admitted on tape to fabricating probable cause in cases involving black guys, but the jury really should have overlooked that. Who cares if the guy was the lead investigator? Just a bit part, really. So what if all the evidence he came in contact with became suspect once it came out that he was a lying, law-breaking son of a bitch? The jury was just a pack of race-blinded idiots, each and every one, even the two white ones and the Latino! [/quote] Well, you are certainly correct about the race-blinded part. I might even go so far as to say that anyone who thinks OJ is innocent is also a race-blinded idiot. > [@](#): > > I don’t know. What are the odds of you conceding that perhaps other people may be more qualified than you in determining what happened on the night in question? If you mean the night OJ cut the throats of his ex-wife and a stranger, then the odds are pretty poor. To be qualified to determine if OJ actually killed two people, they would need to be able to take into account actual evidence, and not be a bunch of racist morons. Stuff like the fact that the blood evidence the defense claimed was planted was actually collected several hours before any blood was taken from OJ, the fact that OJ never mentioned anything about the police framing him in his “suicide” note before the Bronco chase (he _thanked_ the police for the way they treated him - would an innocent man who was being framed do that?) - details like that. OJ killed two people with a knife. Only racists and idiots believe otherwise. Yes, there is a lot of overlap between those groups. As in your case. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1415 "2006-08-08T17:07:12Z")
> [@psychloan](#): > > If it happens, then the courts will find an excuse to vacate the verdict and order a new trial. The defendants are obviously innocent and a conviction would not be allowed to stand. Mainly because it would make the North Carolina justice system look bad. I wish I could be sure of this, but, as the OJ verdict indicates, it is not necessarily true that it always works this way. I am sure **Bricker** will be glad to cite instances of innocent people being convicted. And by the way, welcome to the boards. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1416 "2006-08-08T17:27:09Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] If you mean the night OJ cut the throats of his ex-wife and a stranger, then the odds are pretty poor. [/QUOTE] Actually, I was talking about the Duke case. Seeing how that’s what this thread is about, right? Not OJ. Yeah, the similarities between the two cases are uncanny. Easy to get confused, I know. ---
**Author:** ![psychloan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4bbf92/32.png) [@psychloan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychloan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1417 "2006-08-08T17:44:46Z")
I was just reading back through the thread this morning. I hate to dredge up something so controversial but I was fascinated by the disparity between black on white rapes and white on black rapes. That was an early indication that something was suspect about the case. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1418 "2006-08-08T17:48:36Z")
[QUOTE=psychloan] I was just reading back through the thread this morning. I hate to dredge up something so controversial but I was fascinated by the disparity between black on white rapes and white on black rapes. That was an early indication that something was suspect about the case. [/QUOTE] Aaaaaannnnnnndddddd…we’re off. Again. I suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1419 "2006-08-08T20:15:26Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] Actually, I was talking about the Duke case. Seeing how that’s what this thread is about, right? Not OJ. Yeah, the similarities between the two cases are uncanny. Easy to get confused, I know. [/quote] Well,since most of your post was about the OJ case, it _is_ easy to get confused. Unless you signal your turns a bit better. > [@](#): > > I don’t know. What are the odds of you conceding that perhaps other people may be more qualified than you in determining what happened on the night in question? You mean like Nifong has, or the OJ jury did? Still pretty poor. > [@psychloan](#): > > I was just reading back through the thread this morning. I hate to dredge up something so controversial but I was fascinated by the disparity between black on white rapes and white on black rapes. That was an early indication that something was suspect about the case. No way - what we have learned is that, just because something is rare is no reason to believe it didn’t happen. Or something. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153/1420 "2006-08-08T21:03:43Z")
[QUOTE=psychloan] I was just reading back through the thread this morning. I hate to dredge up something so controversial but I was fascinated by the disparity between black on white rapes and white on black rapes. That was an early indication that something was suspect about the case. [/QUOTE] No, no, no – didn’t you read the rest of the thread? You cannot possibly make any sort of a judgement about how likely an event is by looking at how likely that event is. Don’t you know anything??? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lying-whore/352153.md?page=72)