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Based on the stuff that’s come out to date I’d lay some money it happened something like this
**Frat boys: **
We’ve got the keg and now we’ve got the strippers Yee Yaw! Good Times! Go Duke!
Hey you’re not the strippers we ordered!
You’re black and you’re all messed up!
Why don’t you sluts fuck this broomstick!
We’re not going to pay you skanks/niggers/whores for this messed up shit!
**Strippers: ** Say what? What did you call us? Party’s over! Let’s go!
Strippers separate and repair to bathrooms to re-assemble and go.
One stripper goes and waits outside- Other stripper is not leaving bathroom. Frat boys start getting nervous and start slipping money under door to get her to leave. She eventually leaves bathroom & house but realizes she forgot items and knocks on door to retrieve items. Frat boys initially won’t let he back in, but eventually after pleading she is let back in to get her stuff. On final exit she trips on steps while leaving & takes nasty tumble.
Result:
Two very pissed off strippers -One very high, very pissed off injured stripper and one humiliated pissed off stripper. High stripper starts to nod off and won’t leave car, and non-high stripper drives around trying to figure out how to get high stripper out of her car. After a while stops in Kroger parking lot and asks for security guard to call police to get passed out stripper some help and out of her car.
Passed out stripper is asked by police what happens and our story begins
The victim has injuries to the genital area consistent with forcible rape which still need to be explained. I know there is video showing bruises and scratches on her arms and legs when she entered the building. Those are not the injuries I’m talking about. I think a lot of people have decided this girl is a liar based on a couple of red herrings like the meaningless photos of pre-existing scratches on her arms and the meaningless lack of DNA. Neither one of those things remotely proves innocence and the pertinent injuries still require an explanation.
I also think that (even though they probably won’t admit it) that the fact that she’s a stripper makes people assume that she must be a lying slut.
They have a pic of one, and she’s not that attractive (understatement). I wouldn’t be surprised if the frat boys reacted like this.
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=nation_world&id=4103403
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=1869877
You actually bring up an interesting point that I’ve wondered about in reading stories where a person has “injuries consistent with being raped”. In doing these exams what is the methodology the doctor uses to distinguish a forcible rape from regular or rough sex? In determining that they were genitally forcibly penetrated is there a specific distinguishing physical (genital) features of forcible rape or is it more a doctors “I know it when I see it” perception? Would the non-genital injuries to the legs and torso potentially color the physician’s determination that forcible genital rape occurred in this case?
There are hard working strippers who can have hearts of gold as past threads on this board have demonstrated. Regarding their reliability the fact that they both have police records for fairly serious offenses, the accusing stripper for auto theft and possibly drug abuse, and the non-verifying-now verifying stripper for fairly serious embezzlement while in a position of authority, are why people might question their credibility. That, the unreliable IDs, and the almost impossibly compressed time line required for the claimed actions to have take place are why people question the allegations. In weighing the claims of obnoxious, over-privileged frat boys with everything to lose vs strippers, I dont think the public (including myself) gives either one of them a leg up regarding credibility.
To add to Astro’s post, the fact that she has injuries consistent with rape says nothing about when it may have happened. If all the DA has is the photo ID and the rape kit he is in trouble.
For whomever is interested–First 911 call. Second 911 call.
That was the fakest fake crying I ever heard in the first 911 call about the alleged racial slurs being yelled out from the house on Buchanan. I’m thinking more and more that one or more of these guys insulted these women (possibly with racial slurs) and the more coherent of the two tried to make some trouble for them with the first 911 call.
Here is an article discussing the ethics of the prosecutor with regard to his comments to the media. There is another article, which I cannot find right now, that claims that when the LAX members gave a list to investigators of who was at the party, Seligman’s name was left off. If true, this raises questions about his alibi defense.
Here is an article critical of the behavior of the defense attorneys. One comment–it appears that she does not realize that in NC the DA is not required to present exculpatory evidence to the grand jury.
If the players are innocent, how is it reasonable for them to explain anything?
Don’t you understand, she made her complaint to the police and DA, she’s made her case and now it is the job of the accused to prove their innocents. Don’t you understand they way things are supposed to work. This isn’t about innocents or guilt this is about rape after all and no woman would falsely accuse any man of rape. I mean what would the odds be of that ever happening. 
DtC, I have a sister who is a stripper, I have a sister who is a lying slut as well. Question for you is how many sisters do I have? I don’t know if you you’re likely to believe me or not but the accused don’t have any obligation on them to explain her injuries. I believe that is for the prosecution to prove that they caused those injuries. And(I just love to start a sentence with the word And) from what I’ve seen of the evidence so far I wouldn’t be prepared to state that they are guilty. Benefit of the doubt, reasonable doubt, call it what you will.
Do we know this? I have heard it expressed as “injuries consistent with sexual assault.” Which could be . . . just about anything from seeming “defensive wounds” to genital injuries. Do any of the reports made public in fact localize the injuries as being to the genital area?
In case anyone didn’t see thisl:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/25/duke.suspect/index.html
So if I’m reading that right, his probationary sentence was revoked because the indictment here was taken as evidence of a new criminal act violating the terms of his suspended sentence. If the indictment’s not ultimately successful (his guilt is not proven), I’m assuming it’ll be too late for him to get the D.C. deal reinstated. I’m not sure if Nifong knew (or cared) that his indictment decision would have that kind of knock-on effect.
The current issue of Newsweek has a cover story on this case. Mostly it’s just stuff we’ve already gone over, but there were a few tidbits that may or may not help provide context for some of the datapoints.
Several in this thread have expressed disgust regarding the email that one of the players sent. From this article:
Wait, what? I haven’t seen American Psycho, and would appreciate if anyone who has could offer how closely this email could said to be a reference to it. If, for example, the email had said “I want to hire some strippers and eat their liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti”, and somebody tried to say how it was vulgar and disgusting and showed how vile the emailer was, I’d think that person would be totally clueless if they hadn’t seen the movie, or monumentally stupid if they had. So feedback on that quote would be much appreciated.
Another point was the email the other stripper sent to the PR firm in New York:
Now, this could be meaningless, or it could demonstrate an opportunist mindset. After getting to the end of the article, I started to think it was the latter, as another student from the same predominately black school of the accuser is quoted as saying:
If these are the attitudes of the accuser’s peers, it’s not hard to imagine she held them as well.
From the Newsweek article:
I read the book. It’s pretty much about killing and/or skinning women. In just about every scene.
It’s very possible that there was a larger point to it, but I missed it.
I don’t think you characterized this correctly. It’s not necessarily the indictment that violated the terms of his sentence, it’s the fact that he didn’t follow those terms. The terms in question being a 9pm-6am curfew and staying away from places where alcohol is sold or consumed.
While I’m skeptical about the rape charges being real, I’m fairly confident that this guy was at a party after 9pm and where alcohol was consumed.
Another female student stated, in a local NPR story, that she was angry that the guys had were out on bail because it made her feel unsafe.
Here is a link to some links about the case. A lot to wade through but some very interesting stuff on both sides of the issue.
I got it wrong, and it seems it was a fair cop to revoke the alternative sentencing in D.C. regrardless of the rape issue.