Lying whore.

Well good then.

My “obsession” with women’s studies apparently runs to all of three posts that even contain the phrase (I haven’t bothered to look at whether some of them were, as I strongly suspect, simply re-quotes). So you are attacking that which does not exist.

I guess there’s no such thing as “off topic” in the Pit.

And I could probably plot a pretty linear curve between the unraveling of the facial plausibility of the accuser’s accusation (in which you apparently had a lot emotionally invested) and the vituperative ad hominem attacks on the messenger. I realize that the revelation she originally accused 20 guys has probably left you cranky. Address some of my real points, like about the dumbfuck prosecutor’s complete mis-reading of the rape shield rule, or walk on by, no?

You might feel a lot better but that’s a shitty accusation to make without having the balls to back it up with at least a pit thread.

The more I read about the case the more uncomfortable I am with it. It seems clear that at least one of the three charged could not have had anything to do with the assault.

In addition, according to the St. Petersburg Times (looking for online cite), the three accussed are not from wealthy or privileged families at all.

See? I said nothing about this case. I have no opinion about it. I actually feel less informed about it now that I’ve read this thread. Like I said, it’s not about your position. I might actually agree with that, if I could see past how much I fucking hate you. But like I said, I don’t want to back that up. I just want to say it. Neener.

Yes. I hate him. I feel like being shitty to him. Do you give people you hate balloons and ice cream?

I do have the balls to Pit him, believe me. I’m too dumb to be cowardly when it comes to that stuff, or something. What I don’t have is the sense that doing so would be good for me emotionally. I hate him so much I would start taking shit way too seriously. So if you want to say I lack the nervous system for it, go right ahead. I’m sure it does say something negative about me, anyway, just not that.

I nitpick merely for the sake of accuracy; I’m aware that by indulging myself I’ve theoretically painted a target on my own back, and I don’t really care. I can get up and do something else besides sit here thinking about how much I can’t stand this asshole on the internet, and I highly advise you to do the same.

It was a decent nit-pick and I appreciate the explanation.

Huerta88 may possibly be a huge jerk IRL, but the large majority of his posts in this thread have been on point WRT grappling over fairly pointed rhetorical distnctions pertinent to the OP . That’s not to say he’s right or wrong, but he doesn’t seem to be a foaming a the mouth Nazi pig-dog just because he’s not willing to grant the claimant in this case much credibility.

Really? I thought we already saw pictures and descriptions of the $1M homes they grew up in?

Now, are they from super powerful beyond belief rich families? Perhaps not, but if you can afford a nice house and private school in North NJ or LI, then you are indeed at least a little bit wealthy I would think.

(not that thier wealth should have any bearing on the case, though some involved parties seem to want it to…)

I’ll do my best to dig up a cite. Read it on the plane on Sunday flying back from Tampa.

The Newsweek article I quoted earlier showed pictures of the family homes, and the captions noted the million dollar plus pricetags.

well except for that whole “since white males statistically rarely rape black females, we should factor that into the mix” stuff.

should mention the above was a paraphrase, not attempting to claim as a direct quote. Sorry

…and in NJ/NY, that will get you a surprisingly middle-class looking house.

Cite for Essex Fells, NJ

Cite for Garden City, NY

This was in Sunday’s St. Petersburg Times. I can’t find the darn article online. It was a column but he made the claim that two of the accussed come from middle-class to low-middle-class familes (fireman and policeman).

Not that any of this should matter. The case does look very flimsy though.

And that is why I live in an apartment in North NJ and probably will until I am 50 before I can afford a small dump of a house…

(me bitter about housing prices in NJ? No…)

Here is the latest (rumor):

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=1948939

Hmmm. This may suggest (“consistent with” always makes me wonder) she scratched him. Still no suggestion any DNA was recovered from any area in which sex usually deposits it.

the fact that there was no DNA recovered from “any area in which sex usually deposits it” isn’t necessarily a conclusive fact that equals “there was no rape”. In addition to ‘safe sex’, rape is the appropriate charge in cases where objects other than penises are inserted into a persons vagina etc.

again, not saying I believe that there was a rape, just making sure you understand the other variables involved.

The transcript of her “lineup” (in which she was shown only current Duke lacrosse players, not other attendees at the party, and not any “dummy” photos, contrary to what most people think of as a lineup) has her stating that one of the accused put his penis in her anus and vagina. There is no mention of her being violated with any other object. There is no mention of the rapist considerately practicing safe sex.

http://www.wral.com/slideshow/news/9141851/detail.html
She says Seligmann violated her orally (again, no mention of a condom), Finnerty in the other orifices.

This was interesting

Lacrosse defense witness arrested

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Why was he arrested?

Good to know the Durham police are out there protecting the public from taxi drivers who assisted an investigation of shoplifting 3 years ago.