# Lynndie England is sexy **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2004, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515 "2004-09-01T02:00:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/41 "2004-09-01T07:38:12Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > . . . It’s easy to sit on the outside and cherry-pick things to criticize . . . On the outside? He’s a voting American citizen, you fascist asshole. You’re suggesting that only politicians have a right to criticize the government? What a bunch of totalitarian bullshit. I know: how about if a citizen uses their rights under the first amendment to raise awareness of what the see as abuses of the political system? And how bout the give it a satiric tone to widen the audience? What should we do, hang him by the neck until dead? On the outside? You just showed your stripes, Benito. ---
**Author:** ![nonpolar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3da27b/32.png) [@nonpolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nonpolar)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/42 "2004-09-01T07:45:05Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > On the outside? He’s a voting American citizen, you fascist asshole. You’re suggesting that only politicians have a right to criticize the government? What a bunch of totalitarian bullshit. I know: how about if a citizen uses their rights under the first amendment to raise awareness of what the see as abuses of the political system? And how bout the give it a satiric tone to widen the audience? What should we do, hang him by the neck until dead? On the outside? You just showed your stripes, Benito. You said it man ! We need more people like you!Peace. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/43 "2004-09-01T07:45:26Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > He’s a satirist: you act like he’s a humorless polemicist. He’s a polemicist all right, but he’s also a standup comedian with a camera. All your descriptions of him, no matter how unfair (though not very) don’t seem outside the purview of a satirist. He may be all that you say, but if so he’s only at entry level in terms of either satire or art. Like I said, I think anyone with a rabble-rousing turn of mind and indifference to being thought of as a jerk could do what he does. He isn’t clever and he isn’t smart (although I thought he must have been both prior to his appearance on O’Reilly’s show…what a disappointment that was), he’s just found success because of his extraordinary willingness to be a dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/44 "2004-09-01T07:48:50Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > He may be all that you say, but if so he’s only at entry level in terms of either satire or art. Like I said, I think anyone with a rabble-rousing turn of mind and indifference to being thought of as a jerk could do what he does. He isn’t clever and he isn’t smart (although I thought he must have been both prior to his appearance on O’Reilly’s show…what a disappointment that was), he’s just found success because of his extraordinary willingness to be a dickhead. So . . . your main criticism is that YOU don’t find him funny? You’ll have to do much better than that, Benito. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/45 "2004-09-01T07:57:25Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > On the outside? He’s a voting American citizen, you fascist asshole. You’re suggesting that only politicians have a right to criticize the government? What a bunch of totalitarian bullshit. I know: how about if a citizen uses their rights under the first amendment to raise awareness of what the see as abuses of the political system? And how bout the give it a satiric tone to widen the audience? What should we do, hang him by the neck until dead? On the outside? You just showed your stripes, Benito. You idiotic cocksucker! (Sorry, but when in Rome…) Where the fuck did I say he didn’t have a right to criticize the government? Nowhere, that’s where, you lying disingenuous fuck! I said it’s easy to find fault and hard to make things happen. I said it’s easy to do what he does, because anyone can find fault with anything. How you can extrapolate from that that I’m a fascist, and that I said only politicians have a right to criticize the government, and that I said anything remotely totalitarian is so fucking ridiculous that I actually laughed when I saw it. Prior to now I had thought that you were at least somewhat intelligent, and you may be, but if so this idiotic post of yours only goes to show something I’ve believed for a long time. People operate on two levels: emotional and intellectual, and neither has much of an effect on the other. Since I do believe you are at least moderately intelligent, I have to conclude you must be a virtual emotional basket case in order to overreact in such a ridiculous manner. What a fucking idiotic buttpipe you are! (How’s that, Skippy? Profane enough for ya? Feel better now?) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/46 "2004-09-01T08:00:41Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > So . . . your main criticism is that YOU don’t find him funny? You’ll have to do much better than that, Benito. No, my main criticism is that I don’t find him smart, clever or talented…and I most especially don’t find him to be an artist. How’s that, Skippy? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/47 "2004-09-01T08:03:46Z")
And besides, you’ve got **nonpolar** complimenting you. If that’s not proof enough you’ve gone over to the dark side, I don’t know what is. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/48 "2004-09-01T08:04:10Z")
> [@Atticus Finch](#): > > Can we change the thread title before my brain explodes? _Please?_ :eek: ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/49 "2004-09-01T08:09:24Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > He may be all that you say, but if so he’s only at entry level in terms of either satire or art. Art I’m not really qualified to pass judgement on. But that never stopped me in the past, so I’ll say he’s average. Satire - more my thing. His sarcasm is at the level of the average high school, say Columbine. He doesn’t register on a satire meter. Stand up comedian. Mockingbird riding his high horse would get more laughs. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/50 "2004-09-01T08:14:16Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You idiotic cocksucker! > > (Sorry, but when in Rome…) > > Where the fuck did I say he didn’t have a right to criticize the government? Nowhere, that’s where, you lying disingenuous fuck! Explain your “on the outside” snarl. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/51 "2004-09-01T08:15:51Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > And besides, you’ve got **nonpolar** complimenting you. If that’s not proof enough you’ve gone over to the dark side, I don’t know what is. > > 😃 Um, that’s \*dork \*side. And one can’t choose one’s followers. But you wouldn’t judge John Lennon by Mark David Chapman, would you? ---
**Author:** ![Aro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Aro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aro)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/52 "2004-09-01T08:19:17Z")
> [@Sublight](#): > > Any bets on when the first photoshopped images of someone pointing at her belly and giving a thumbs-up are going to start floating around the net? It has already became a [rather warped craze!](http://badgas.co.uk/lynndie/) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/53 "2004-09-01T08:20:20Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Explain your “on the outside” snarl. You’ll have to ask nice. Orders don’t cut it. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/54 "2004-09-01T08:24:01Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > Um, that’s \*dork \*side. And one can’t choose one’s followers. But you wouldn’t judge John Lennon by Mark David Chapman, would you? Good point, I admit. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/55 "2004-09-01T08:28:29Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > You’ll have to ask nice. Orders don’t cut it. And you’ll have to find a more compelling way to sidestep a fascist outburst. What else can it mean? What, exactly, is Moore on the outside of? The only thing I can imagine your imperialist little mind can be thinking is that he’s criticizing the political system although he’s outside of that. There are the rulers and the ruled, you seem to suggest, and no criticism from the ruled is worthy of credibility. What else could “on the outside” possibly mean, Josef? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/56 "2004-09-01T09:44:52Z")
Ha ha, **Aro** , I came here to post just that link but you got there before me. > [@](#): > > Who can forget the iconic image of Lynndie England, the ugly she-man, grinning and pointing at an Iraqi prisoner-of-war’s cock? > > The image has shocked, sickened and outraged people. But more importantly, it has captured the imagination of young men and women all around the world who don’t give much of a shit about anything. The result is a new craze called “doing a Lynndie”. If you aren’t “doing a Lynndie” now, you soon will be. Genius! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/57 "2004-09-01T10:15:31Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > And you’ll have to find a more compelling way to sidestep a fascist outburst. What else can it mean? What, exactly, is Moore on the outside of? The only thing I can imagine your imperialist little mind can be thinking is that he’s criticizing the political system although he’s outside of that. There are the rulers and the ruled, you seem to suggest, and no criticism from the ruled is worthy of credibility. What else could “on the outside” possibly mean, Josef? Well, lemme 'splain it to ya, Bucko. You are right on the money when you say I mean that he’s outside the political system, although how you extrapolate from that that this means I’m a fascist, totallitarian asshole is anybody’s guess. I _said_ that it’s easy to find fault and it’s hard to create accomplishment. You, or I, or just about anyone could go anywhere…an amusement park, a department store, a cafeteria, a stock brokerage, a governor’s office…and given enough time find dozens if not hundreds of things to criticize. It is not hard at all to find fault with things. What is hard is to be in the position of having to run these entities and fight the battles and solve the problems necessary to make them function. Moore is a fault-finder. It’s easy and it in no way bespeaks intelligence – or talent as an artist – on his part. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/58 "2004-09-01T15:18:16Z")
> [@Aro](#): > > It has already became a [rather warped craze!](http://badgas.co.uk/lynndie/) It appears that once again I have my finger firmly on the prostate of international pop culture. Feels kinda like a McNugget. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/59 "2004-09-01T15:24:08Z")
Thank you for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lynndie-england-is-sexy/262515/60 "2004-09-01T15:28:49Z")
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