MA legislators propose letting prisoners donate organs in exchange for reduced sentences

And yet, we do that. I have a friend who developed preeclampsia early in a pregnancy. She had to have an emergency abortion, to save her life. (The baby wasn’t viable.) She’s now looking to hire a surrogate to carry her next attempt. There’s a lot to be said for having a machine that can do that.

I also think she’s the first category of women likely for insurance to cover an artificial womb, should one be developed.

I don’t think we have any way of estimating the cost of a completely theoretical device at some undefined point in the future. Maybe it’ll be expensive, maybe it won’t.

Getting back to the OP, if I were an inmate, my main complaint wouldn’t be the ethics of the matter - it would be that the time reduced in exchange is too short. The maximum you can get for donating is 1 year, if I read it correctly.

If I were facing a 20-year prison sentence, I’d be happy to shave 15 years or 17 off of it in return for giving a kidney, but I’m sure not going to do so for just one year.

But then again maybe I’m just too practical/unethical.

Right, and pregnancies are expensive, and that’s if nothing goes wrong. Anything goes wrong and the costs go up exponentially.

Artificial wombs don’t have to get too cheap for insurance companies to start preferring them. In fact, as I think you mentioned, the likelihood is that it goes further, and that natural childbirth is what is no longer covered.

When i was pregnant, my insurance covered an obstetrician, but not a midwife.

Exactly. Artificial wombs don’t have to be cheaper than regular births for insurance companies to mandate them. If there is an incredibly expensive situation that arises 1 in 10,000 times, and an artificial womb is cheaper than 1/10,000th of the cost of dealing with that extraordinary situation, then it is a net profit to stop covering natural births.

And the “aptitude” was determined by the amount of oxygen pumped into each baby-jar. The line I remember most in the book was, “At 70%, you got dwarfs. At less than seventy, eyeless monsters.”

Are the people outraged by this think the organs are to be harvested while the donor is still alive?

Yes…? Is this a whoosh? Am I being whooshed?

Have you seen any hint in this thread that this is what any poster believes?

In the case of bone marrow in particular, yes.

And quite possible for a kidney and/or part of a liver for such cases.

Did you read the article?

Emphasis mine.

I believe it’s true because it’s what is actually written in the legislation.

You donate an organ for a reduced prison sentence. I don’t think dead people are trying to reduce their prison sentence, I think those people have been let out of prison already. Which is fair, most people won’t reoffend after they die.

Scientific research protocols, as international policy recommendations under the Helsinki Declaration, Belmont report, etc. make it pretty clear that offering things like sentence reduction to participate in research is coercive and unethical. Separate laws in the US and other countries codify this. I’m surprised it would be legal, but then maybe it’s not.

And this law makes it ok. So?

I don’t think that state law can contravene federal laws and international treaties.

Which will then be twisted into “Deep State libs and and an international cabal are telling us what to do!”

I should come clean-I don’t see this gaining in popularity and I’m just feeling argumentative. Feel free to disregard. :grin:

That it was Democratic legislators the proposed it makes that unlikely.

And I don’t think that it ever got any further than it being proposed. I don’t see it ever even being debated in the legislature.

There is no chance this would ever pass, and in the bizarro world where it did it would be struck down even by the current SCOTUS.

But for some the world of Lexx wasn’t a dystopia.

The proposed legislation. Proposed by like 2 people, and it didn’t go anywhere. As best as I can tell, this was a horrible idea that died on its own, due to the rest of the legislators recognizing it was a horrible idea.

Fair enough. But it was so dumb I think it’s worth ridiculing those two people. And folks actually elected them.