# Mac OS 10.1 already outdated?! ARRRGH!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [January 5, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866 "2004-01-05T19:40:07Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Palve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palve)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/1 "2004-01-05T19:40:07Z")
I have Mac OS 10.1 on my computer (I would have 10.1.5 but the patch doesn’t work on my computer), and I just tried to download PGP, but that requires 10.2 or higher, which means I have to pay for an upgrade to use it. This is not the first time I have gotten software that required 10.2+, and it is starting to really annoy me. I got OS X just a few months ago so I could keep up with the new software, but it now seems to be getting outdated. No more, I say. From this point on, I refuse to purchase any system upgrades or other products from Apple Computers, for their demonic scheme of planned technological obsolescence so they can pump as much money out of me as they can.
FUCK YOU, APPLE!
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### Author:  [@Meros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meros)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/2 "2004-01-05T20:25:21Z")
Pissed you may be but trust me the $129 to go from 10.1 to 10.3 is worth every penny.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2004, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/3 "2004-01-05T20:29:25Z")
Shall we start the flame war? 😃
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### Author:  [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/4 "2004-01-05T20:53:36Z")
They’re just taking a page from _The Book of Gates_.
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### Author:  [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2004, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/5 "2004-01-05T21:41:43Z")
Jaguar (10.2) was released in August 2002. Panther (10.3) was released in October 2003, already three months old. If you bought 10.1 only a few months ago, you got ripped then.
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### Author:  [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)
#### Post date: [January 5, 2004, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/6 "2004-01-05T21:42:05Z")
If you just got OS X a few months ago, why didn’t you get 10.2?
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### Author:  [@Meros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meros)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/7 "2004-01-06T00:13:04Z")
Bought a used mac maybe?
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### Author:  [@Nanoda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanoda)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/8 "2004-01-06T02:01:48Z")
You have to _pay_ for a .x upgrade??? 😕
\*nix compatability and nifty software support had me almost sold on Apple since the last tech show I went to. ☹
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### Author:  [@Meros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meros)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/9 "2004-01-06T02:26:42Z")
> [@](#):
>
> \*Originally posted by Nanoda \*
> \*\*You have to _pay_ for a .x upgrade??? 😕
>
> \*nix compatability and nifty software support had me almost sold on Apple since the last tech show I went to. ☹ \*\*
Yeah, Apple’s naming convention is a little screwy as far as that goes. 10.1,10.2, etc are major OS releases equivalent to the difference between 98, 2000, XP. The _actual_ point upgrades, like the most recent 10.3.2, are just as free as a service pack.
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### Author:  [@Meros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meros)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/10 "2004-01-06T02:30:48Z")
Forgot to add to that last post:
That’s the main reason you’ll hear most macheads refer to the OS Release by it’s “Big Cat” codename 10.3=Panther, 10.2=Jaguar, 10.1 and 10.0 are Puma and Cheetah (but I can’t remember which is which)
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### Author:  [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/11 "2004-01-06T02:39:40Z")
> [@](#):
>
> \*Originally posted by Meros \*
> \*\*Yeah, Apple’s naming convention is a little screwy as far as that goes. 10.1,10.2, etc are major OS releases equivalent to the difference between 98, 2000, XP. The _actual_ point upgrades, like the most recent 10.3.2, are just as free as a service pack. \*\*
Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho.
/santa hat OFF!
Uhh, point releases in Mac are slightly larger than average point releases, but the difference between, say, 10.1 and 10.2 are nowhere near the difference between 98 and 2000, 2000 and ME, or ME and XP.
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### Author:  [@biqu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/biqu)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/12 "2004-01-06T03:16:25Z")
> [@](#):
>
> _Originally posted by Gadfly_
> …the difference between, say, 10.1 and 10.2 are nowhere
> near the difference between **98 and 2000, 2000 and ME, or ME and
> XP**.
While the MS operating systems you mentioned are in
correct chronological order, it is incorrect to
conclude that Win2000 is the successor to Win98, ME the
successor to 2000, and XP the successor to ME.
The first upgrade to Win98 was Win98 Second Edition,
and then WinME was the last successor of 98 before MS
decided to ditch the Win9x code base and move on to an
NT code base.
Win2000 is the successor of NT4, and its official
version number (5.something) reflects that heritage.
WinXP continues the NT product line but now expands
into the home user market, whereas Microsoft’s previous
NT-based operating systems were mainly marketed at business
users who needed robustness more than bells-and-whistles.
Looking at the Windows product line from this
perspective, the jumps between successive products
become less pronounced when compared to point releases
of Mac Operating Systems. For example, WinME was not a
substantial reworking of Win98, and neither was XP a
substantial reworking of 2000. Most of the changes
were superficial (as in the changes to the desktop in
both instances), but major under-the-hood revisions
were few in number.
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### Author:  [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/13 "2004-01-06T03:24:09Z")
Thanks for the correction.
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### Author:  [@biqu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/biqu)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/14 "2004-01-06T03:30:21Z")
> [@](#):
>
> _Originally posted by amore ac studio_
> While the MS operating systems you mentioned are in
> correct chronological order, it is incorrect to
> conclude that Win2000 is the successor to Win98, ME the
> successor to 2000, and XP the successor to ME.
Well I see that’s not **Gadfly** ’s conclusion in
any case, since the phrasing came straight from the
post by **Meros**. Perhaps the appropriate analogy
would be to say that Mac OS (Classic) (versions 7, 8, 9
being as far back as I can remember) is to Mac OS X
(10.1, 10.2, and now 10.3) as the Win9x product line
(95,98,98SE,ME) is to the WinNT product line (NT4,
2000, and XP). The point releases in the Mac OS
sequence are analogous to full OS upgrades in either
of the two Windows product lines.
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### Author:  [@Meros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meros)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/15 "2004-01-06T03:38:47Z")
But if we go with that analogy then the only true comparison between the two lines will be destroyed. 10.1 and Win98 have been long considered to be nothing more than bug-fixes to the previous OS version, albeit bug-fixes with a price-tag.
Maybe we could compare the MacOS Classic to Win 3.1 and lower?
Nah. I didin’t think so either 😃
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### Author:  [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/16 "2004-01-06T04:05:51Z")
> [@](#):
>
> \*Originally posted by Palve \*
> \*\*I have Mac OS 10.1 on my computer (I would have 10.1.5 but the patch doesn’t work on my computer) \*\*
Palve, make sure you have the most recent Firmware update installed , that might be the reason that your system isn’t accepting 10.1.5
here’s some pertinent links;
[http://www.info.apple.com/](http://www.info.apple.com/)
type in your \ and Firmware to find the most recent FW update, for example, 4.1.9 for the CRT iMac
“G4 Firmware”
here’s a link to download the neccecary software updates and security updates;
[http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106713](http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106713)
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### Author:  [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/17 "2004-01-06T07:26:07Z")
Considering OS 10.1 was released over two years ago, I’m completely unsurprised that it’s outdated. There are few companies that would be content to let a two-year-old product be its most current release.
I wouldn’t be happy about having to pay another $130 to upgrade, but your anger is misdirected, IMO. Blame PGP for requiring 10.2, or blame yourself for buying 10.1 when you could have/should have bought 10.2. But this one isn’t Apple’s fault, and therefore your boycott of them is pretty silly.
'Nuff scolding. Check out eBay for Jaguar. I saw many auctions well under $100, including one starting at $45 with $6 shipping and one BIN for $35 with $4 shipping. Good luck.
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### Author:  [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/18 "2004-01-06T08:23:03Z")
10.3 is well worth the price. I can understand the folks using 10.2, as it’s still a good OS, but hanging on to anything less than that at this point is bordering on sadomasochism.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/19 "2004-01-06T12:53:57Z")
How soon till 10.4 comes out?
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### Author:  [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)
#### Post date: [January 6, 2004, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-10-1-already-outdated-arrrgh/222866/20 "2004-01-06T13:19:06Z")
What is the major difference/improvement between 10.2 and 10.3? I had read 10.3 mainly benefitted things like dual-processors and the G5, so as I have a (single processor) G4 Powerbook, I hadn’t bothered.
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