# Mac OS X Lion **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 21, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797 "2011-07-21T02:36:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/21 "2011-07-22T02:33:06Z")
I’m going to install it on my Mac Mini if the download ever finishes. 6 Mb/s service over telephone networks seems really, really slow compared to the cable that I’m used to. When the other machines show up, I’ll base my install decision on how well the Mini is working. Because Server is now dirt cheap, I might flirt with the idea of installing it on the Mini, and see if I can simplify things with networked home folders and such. I’m still in the early stages of this thinking, though. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/22 "2011-07-22T12:21:04Z")
What I’ve been hearing is encouraging, but I’m going to wait until we install it at work where I have no choice in the matter then decide whether it’s personally worth it or not to get it for my own system at home. I’m guessing I will. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/23 "2011-07-22T14:48:20Z")
I want to upgrade, though I need to upgrade my RAM somewhat, I think, to make it comfortable, especially on my aging iMac. Anybody running it with out of the box RAM, no upgrades, on a 2006 era iMac model? I also need to find a workable substitution for my PPC-only version of Photoshop. Anyone have any suggestions there? I’ve looked at GIMP and its GUI, or lack thereof (the last time I tried it) were just counter-intuitive to me. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/24 "2011-07-22T20:36:15Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > I want to upgrade, though I need to upgrade my RAM somewhat, I think, to make it comfortable, especially on my aging iMac. Anybody running it with out of the box RAM, no upgrades, on a 2006 era iMac model? Most of the 2006-era iMacs are Core Single or Core Duo machines (32-bit only), and as such do not support Lion. ---
**Author:** ![Cleophus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e57/32.png) [@Cleophus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cleophus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/25 "2011-07-23T02:15:31Z")
Overall, I like it. I’m still giving all of the features a rundown. Adjusted Dashboard to behave the old way. Set Mail to the classic look. The junk mail button is now a thumbs down. Odd choice. Tried natural scrolling, but turned it off and turned always show scroll bars on. Launchpad is cool. I really like it and the gestures. I installed it on my 2009 13" MacBook Pro with my newly ordered 500 GB hard disk and restored from my Time Machine backup. Smooth and painless. Right now FileVault is encrypting my hard disk. There is one annoyance, though, and that is my Facebook Jabber contacts in iChat do not show up in the menu bar list. They are listed as online from within the main iChat window, but clicking on the menu bar icon only shows my AIM contacts. Anyone else experiencing this with multiple iChat accounts? ---
**Author:** ![Amblydoper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/fbc32d/32.png) [@Amblydoper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amblydoper)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/26 "2011-07-23T07:14:43Z")
I think natural scrolling is ging to be like the invert-mouse option on FPSs and flight sims. One way is right, and one way is backwards. Some Apple forums are filled with hate for Mission Control and its elimination of features from Expose and Spaces, but most of the complaints are about the changes, rather then the omitted things. > [@tumbleddown](#): > > I also need to find a workable substitution for my PPC-only version of Photoshop. Anyone have any suggestions there? I’ve looked at GIMP and its GUI, or lack thereof (the last time I tried it) were just counter-intuitive to me. Do you need the full power of Photoshop, or could Photoshop Elements suit your needs? It is a bit more affordable. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/27 "2011-07-23T10:04:20Z")
I downloaded and installed Lion yesterday after reading thru this thread, and in general I think Lion is a good upgrade, but I’ve found something annoying and can’t figure out how to stop it: I often shut my computer down with Safari windows open. I mean, I’m done, and the computer is about to turn off, so I just let it shut Safari down as part of the process. The problem is, now, when I reboot, it wants to re-open Safari with those same windows open, and I don’t want it to do that. I don’t want Safari open until I want Safari open, if you know what I mean, and even then I want it to open on my default homepage, not the page I was last looking at. Anyone know where the setting for this is? ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/28 "2011-07-23T19:08:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I don’t want Safari open until I want Safari open, if you know what I mean, and even then I want it to open on my default homepage, not the page I was last looking at. > > Anyone know where the setting for this is? It’s not tied to Safari in particular. Open up the _System Preferences_, click on the _General_ panel, and uncheck the checkbox captioned “Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps”. Let us know if that cures it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/29 "2011-07-23T19:13:40Z")
> [@Bytegeist](#): > > Let us know if that cures it for you. Nope, Safari still opens on boot with all windows that were open when I shut off the computer. Thanks for trying, tho. I’ll keep looking into it. ETA: I found something under the “History” menu that says “Reopen All Windows From Last Session”, which is what it’s doing, but there’s no way to uncheck it or anything. It’s just highlighted and I can click it, but Safari is doing that every time the computer boots. ---
**Author:** ![Bytegeist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@Bytegeist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bytegeist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/30 "2011-07-23T19:18:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Nope, Safari still opens on boot with all windows that were open when I shut off the computer. Thanks for trying, tho. I’ll keep looking into it. Ah. That suggests that it’s in your _Login Items_ for some reason? In System Preferences, select _Users & Groups_ (which used to be called _Accounts_). Select your user name and then click the _Login Items_ tab. If Safari is on the list, you can delete it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/31 "2011-07-23T19:27:01Z")
> [@Bytegeist](#): > > Ah. That suggests that it’s in your _Login Items_ for some reason? > > In System Preferences, select _Users & Groups_ (which used to be called _Accounts_). Select your user name and then click the _Login Items_ tab. If Safari is on the list, you can delete it. 3 things on the list, none of them checked off: iTunes Helper (no idea what this is, never seen it) HPEventHandler (must have something to do with my HP printer) HP Scheduler (must have something to do with my HP printer) I see that there’s an “extension” on Apple’s site called SafariRestore that purports to do what I’m seeing, but one of the first things I did was turn Extensions off, and in any case I never downloaded SafariRestore. I even searched my hard drives for it, and it’s not there. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/32 "2011-07-23T19:57:13Z")
I found it, sort of. When you shut down or restart, you get a confirmation window. In that window is an option that is ALWAYS CHECKED to re-open Safari when booting. Unchecking the box causes Safari to not reopen on reboot, but once you do open Safari, it opens with all previous tabs and sites open. And you have to uncheck that stupid box EVERY time you shut down or restart. This is a seriously shitty feature. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/33 "2011-07-24T13:15:07Z")
Or you could just Command-Q Safari before you shut down. One (two?) extra keystrokes. ---
**Author:** ![tomcar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tomcar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomcar)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/34 "2011-07-24T15:31:05Z")
Do any of you longtime Mac user have an idea when the imacs will ship with lion? Is there a precedent? ---
**Author:** ![QuercusMax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/8baadc/32.png) [@QuercusMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuercusMax)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/35 "2011-07-24T15:42:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I found it, sort of. > > When you shut down or restart, you get a confirmation window. In that window is an option that is ALWAYS CHECKED to re-open Safari when booting. Unchecking the box causes Safari to not reopen on reboot, but once you do open Safari, it opens with all previous tabs and sites open. > > And you have to uncheck that stupid box EVERY time you shut down or restart. > > This is a seriously shitty feature. The idea is that your system will attempt to come back after a reboot exactly how it was before - so you don’t have to reopen your apps, reload your documents, etc. Just like they’re trying to remove the need to manually save things, and when you reopen an app you’ve closed it will come up in the same state it was the last time you used it. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/36 "2011-07-24T15:58:33Z")
> [@QuercusMax](#): > > The idea is that your system will attempt to come back after a reboot exactly how it was before - so you don’t have to reopen your apps, reload your documents, etc. Just like they’re trying to remove the need to manually save things, and when you reopen an app you’ve closed it will come up in the same state it was the last time you used it. Plus, when you’re short on RAM or processor time or I’m not sure what else, Lion can close out minimized apps and hold their state in suspension until you click back on that app, at which point it restarts in it’s last configuration. Very similar to iOS, they want you to never need to think about opening and closing apps. You are supposed to simply flip between the apps you need and let the system figure out the best memory usage strategy. ---
**Author:** ![QuercusMax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/8baadc/32.png) [@QuercusMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuercusMax)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/37 "2011-07-24T22:45:21Z")
> [@tomcar](#): > > Do any of you longtime Mac user have an idea when the imacs will ship with lion? Is there a precedent? Probably do right now. And if you ordered a few weeks ago you may get a free upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/38 "2011-07-25T00:43:44Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > I’m torn on the new Mail. I like the layout and the features, but it seems even slower than the already stagnant previous version. It is a source of never ending frustration to me that there are so few options for email clients, and that all of them suck ass. I think there’s 176 different apps to resize images and 238 to change creator codes, but it’s pushing it to say that even a dozen email clients exist. I LOVED Eudora, overall. It had POWER. There was very little I could not accomplish with it, and why it was abandoned I will never understand. Sigh… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/39 "2011-07-25T00:45:21Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I think it is horrible. It has taken the elegant, simple Exposé and over complicated it. I still can’t work out how (if you can) switch between apps using the keyboard when Mission Control is activated. With Exposé you used the arrow keys, but that doesn’t work now. > > I’m hating the over-reliance on gestures. I am a mouse and keyboard guy. My iMac doesn’t have one of those magic pad things and on my MacBook Pro I try to use the trackpad as little as possible. Can you still do what I ALWAYS do to change apps: command-tab? ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797/40 "2011-07-25T01:33:36Z")
So the installation went flawlessly for me, and I managed to keep a copy of the installer (for iMacs when they get here) before it self-deleted. I bit the bullet the installed Server as well. The new Mission Control is awesome. I never really used Spaces or Expose or even the Widgets thing, but with the Magic Trackpad this all works so flawlessly that I’ve become a huge fan in just the last couple of days. I only wish that Cider wouldn’t steal mouse gestures so that I could multi-box Eve Online in full screen mode. The Mac Mini is a non-custom configuration, so despite only having 4 GB of RAM, it’s pretty responsive. Because it’s connected to the LCD TV in my bedroom, and it’s the only computer I currently have in the house, I’m impressed by the HiDPI mode enabled in Quartz Debug. The crappy television is actually useable from the bed! I like the updated look of the UI widgets, too. As for the “natural” scrolling, the thing that sucks is that it’s tied to both the mouse _and_ the Magic Trackpad. Maybe that third-party driver (can’t think of its name right now) will be updated to correct this. The natural scrolling for the Trackpad is okay for lots of things, and not okay for other things. It’s universally horrid for the mouse wheel. My brain is wired after 24 years of graphical operating systems to _move the scroll bar_, and so the non-natural setting is actually quite natural when moving content using scroll bars. As for switching spaces in Mission Control, I’ve started to brainwash myself that there’s an invisible scrollbar that I’m moving in order to switch spaces. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mac-os-x-lion/589797.md?page=3)