# Machinaforce needs an intervention **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 3, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762 "2018-04-03T23:17:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/41 "2018-04-04T15:45:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You’re not getting it - there \*is \*no “cycle of damage”, there’s just performance. For a minute there, I felt bad for telling him that his posts were bullshit and that he needed to get some mental help. Not so much now. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/42 "2018-04-04T15:48:27Z")
Intervention is an illusion. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/43 "2018-04-04T15:53:01Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You’re not getting it - there \*is \*no “cycle of damage”, there’s just performance. Ah - even more fool me. So much for believing in humanity 😉 So you really think he is a Pure Trolling Troll, giggling at me/us about his _faux_ existential angst while we try ways to speak constructively with him? Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/44 "2018-04-04T16:14:13Z")
The OP could get about 20 or so Dopers to simultaneously PM Intervention spam to **Machineaforce**. That should go over well. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/45 "2018-04-04T16:24:09Z")
On a more interesting note, the movie _Ex Machina_ was wildly overrated. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/46 "2018-04-04T16:29:21Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > The OP could get about 20 or so Dopers to simultaneously PM Intervention spam to **Machineaforce**. That should go over well. He could only imagine what that would be like. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/47 "2018-04-04T17:34:12Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > On a more interesting note, the movie _Ex Machina_ was wildly overrated. Yeah, but the recent Star Wars sequels took the Caleb and Nathan characters in a TOTALLY unexpected direction. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/48 "2018-04-04T17:49:53Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > On a more interesting note, the movie _Ex Machina_ was wildly overrated. I hated that movie. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/49 "2018-04-04T20:50:36Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > On a more interesting note, the movie _Ex Machina_ was wildly overrated. > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I hated that movie. Yeah, I mean how do you even _pronounce_ it? Ex Muh-SHEEN-uh? Ex MAH-cheen-uh? WTF-- is that even _English_??? ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/50 "2018-04-04T20:51:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Intervention is an illusion. > > Regards, > Shodan What if illusion is illusory and all there really is, is reality. Man, THAT would suck. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/51 "2018-04-04T20:57:46Z")
Did you ever wonder if, like, when you’re dreaming, that’s the real world and when you think you’re awake, you’re really dreaming? That kinda blows my mind, man. It, like, totally screws with reality!! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/52 "2018-04-04T21:52:45Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Why would a true Solipsist seek opinions on a message board? At best he’d be addressing imaginary reflections of imaginary people. That by itself is kinda nutty. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Even a Solipsist gotta eat. 😉 Heh. That could be fodder for an entirely new discussion. Couldn’t a solipsist be able to benefit from setting out certain postulates and checking those postulates against his\* personal experiences, to see if there’s significant divergence from what the postulates would predict? \*(or her. It could be a “her.”) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/53 "2018-04-04T22:07:05Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > On a more interesting note, the movie _Ex Machina_ was wildly overrated. Talk about tedious…that movie was that. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/54 "2018-04-06T12:23:47Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > What if illusion is illusory and all there really is, is reality. > > Man, THAT would suck. Thanks - now my head hurts. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/55 "2018-04-06T13:37:32Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did you ever wonder if, like, when you’re dreaming, that’s the real world and when you think you’re awake, you’re really dreaming? That kinda blows my mind, man. It, like, totally screws with reality!! Add some weed smoke and Pink Floyd playing in a dorm room, and this is how the Matrix movies got written… ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/56 "2018-04-06T20:34:50Z")
Have you been watching Legion … ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/57 "2018-04-06T22:52:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did you ever wonder if, like, when you’re dreaming, that’s the real world and when you think you’re awake, you’re really dreaming? That kinda blows my mind, man. It, like, totally screws with reality!! That’s cruel on several levels. First it will send **Machinaforce** into fits of conniption-like existential angst, and then later, when he’s calmed down a bit, it will very likely cause him to plague the board with yet another thread, asking that very question because he _ **must** _ have the answer in order to assuage the existential _Weltschmerz_ that you, **John Mace** , have inflamed in this blameless young philosopher. I mean, what’s the good of that? Which, come to think of it, is itself a terrific question that **Machinaforce** could pose via another new thread. What’s the good\* of anything, really? \*And what is “good”? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/58 "2018-04-06T23:59:21Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > \*And what is “good”? Pancakes. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/59 "2018-04-07T01:09:23Z")
You jest, my friend, but I would suggest that there is a deeply interesting epistemological question here about the nature of “good”, viz. - whether banning **Machinaforce** can be judged as an objective universal good from the perspective of a Kantian moral imperative. Applying the semantic ascent principle of contextualism, we arrive at the inescapable conclusion that there is no _a priori_ objective sense in which banning **Machinaforce** could be anything but “good”, and moreover, we can also infer that allowing his continued infestation of the board would be – in the contextualist sense of moral epistemology – “bad”, or at least, within the strict meaning of experiential foundationalism, “extremely annoying”. I think there is a lot here for future philosophers to ruminate about. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762/60 "2018-04-07T02:59:16Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And what is “good”? That I cannot answer. But I do know what is best in life. . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/machinaforce-needs-an-intervention/811762.md?page=4)