# MacTech's first Constitutional Carry (concealed carry) adventure! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 17, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927 "2015-10-17T19:35:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/41 "2015-10-19T13:38:59Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > It is fun that people who have hunted for over 30-40 years & never had a weapon drop or fall over in that whole time that pop out all snarky when I relate that I dropped mine once in a PO. > > Some of the zingers were kinda cute actually. > > But I noticed no one got smart ass about my post # 12 or made any rebuttals about that post. > > No snark about my daughter or sister. No saying that not having a weapon was a good thing in their cases? > > And I am supposed to be affected by these last snarky posts?? > > What kind of people you are. > > I wonder if any of you had been in the PO that day with me if you would have said or done anything? _snerk_ > Or turn me in or filing a complaint. Whatever. They were probably nonplussed rather than unphased that some clutz dropped their firearm, all clang-bonk-ca-donk-donk all over the post office floor while you’re digging through your fanny pack. Whoopsi-Daisy! Silly me! It’s a lethal weapon, not your frikkin iPhone. Please do take care. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/42 "2015-10-19T13:40:29Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > Guns, or legally carried guns? There’s a world of difference. Do I really have to quote the tired cliche about what happens if you outlaw lawful carry? Well do tell, what has happened in those places that have outlawed lawful carry? There are plenty of examples out there. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/43 "2015-10-19T13:48:20Z")
Not being able to carry a gun just means you end up having to use something else when somebody attacks you with a knife. Like pepper spray. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/44 "2015-10-19T15:11:17Z")
A serious question, not a “gotcha” because I’m curious about the rules from state to state. SC \*\*libraries \*\*across the state are posted as “no weapons allowed” (it’s not a state requirement, but the state library that manages who gets funding STRONGLY ENCOURAGES it). I literally just took a concealed carry course (it was offered free and I was curious about the laws) and in SC, concealed carry permit does not override the stated or posted requirements of a property owner/manager. So, even if I WERE a concealed carry permit holder, I could not legally carry in any real sense because it would be stuck in the parking lot every day at work, which is so much less secure than the building is, that there’s just no point. So I’m wondering: are Maine libraries open to people carrying in general, or does \*\*constitutional \*\*carry override posted or stated weapons restrictions on properties? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/45 "2015-10-19T15:28:54Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > A serious question, not a “gotcha” because I’m curious about the rules from state to state. > > SC \*\*libraries \*\*across the state are posted as “no weapons allowed” (it’s not a state requirement, but the state library that manages who gets funding STRONGLY ENCOURAGES it). > > I literally just took a concealed carry course (it was offered free and I was curious about the laws) and in SC, concealed carry permit does not override the stated or posted requirements of a property owner/manager. > > So, even if I WERE a concealed carry permit holder, I could not legally carry in any real sense because it would be stuck in the parking lot every day at work, which is so much less secure than the building is, that there’s just no point. > > So I’m wondering: are Maine libraries open to people carrying in general, or does \*\*constitutional \*\*carry override posted or stated weapons restrictions on properties? In Ohio, where I have a CCw permit, I am not supposed to carry a gun into any building or part of a building that has a sign at the door citing the relevant law. This can be a pain at times, but there is a safe way to deal with it. I have a small gun safe attached to the inside of the trunk of my car. When I encounter one of the signs, I return to my car and stash the gun. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/46 "2015-10-19T15:53:10Z")
> [@ChickenLegs](#): > > I’m sometimes not armed Me too. > [@](#): > > I appreciate that my barber carries a pistol. An always wise precaution neglected by Albert Anastasia. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/47 "2015-10-19T16:44:20Z")
> [@Balthisar](#): > > But you don’t have to be a gun nut to respect other people’s rights. I’m not gay, but I don’t want to take away your homosexuality. I don’t want to see anyone burn the flag, but I will defend your right to do so. I may think you’re crazy to be a Scientologist, but I’ll support your right to be one. You didn’t read post #21, did you? Please check sarcasm indicator. Item appears to be faulty. I also am not homosexual (not that there’s anything wrong with that), a flag-burner, or a Scientologist. I assume that’s the general “you” and not specific. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/48 "2015-10-19T16:54:09Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > \*I Am Not A Gun Nut I’m not sure what a gun nut actually is, but guns and cars and aircraft exist. All of them are deadly, or they will save your life. Nobody talks about getting rid of cars, or aircraft, no matter how many people die from them. What is discussed, is how to make them safer, and how to stop people from using them for evil. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/49 "2015-10-19T17:50:48Z")
Do anti-gun people object to concealed carry specifically? If so, why? I really am baffled by this. I asked in the other thread with zero response. Can someone explain it here, or do I need to open a new thread in IMHO? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/50 "2015-10-19T18:09:01Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > My older sister had to resort to a ‘church key’ to keep a middle aged man from killing himself & her while she was giving him dual instruction to get his private pilots license. ( no gun ) Tell us the rest of this story, Paul Harvey. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/51 "2015-10-19T19:23:10Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Tell us the rest of this story, Paul Harvey. She was working out of San Diego at the time as a flight instructor & had this nice middle aged guy working on his private license. Big country type guy. They were doing some kind of training up high, over 3000 ft, maybe stalls or under the hood for exposure to instrument use, something, I forget but he all of a sudden nosed the C-150 over into a steep dive and was screaming about dying. Not really making a lot of real words. She tried reasoning with him, yelling and since the engine was going way over red line, she pulled the power but he just overpowered her and went to full power. She switched the fuel off and then tried to physically fight with him. Small woman, large man gone nuts, and tiny cockpit, she was losing bad. She remembered that she had a can opener in her purse ( she had a boyfriend that … ) so she got it out and went to town on him anywhere she could reach. Messed him up pretty bad. It apparently broke through to him and he just leaned back, dropped his hands and was quiet. She was still talking to Departure control, well monitoring really and had been yelling into her head set while using the push to talk switch so when it was over, she was quite low and was cleared for either direction on the field. ( San Diego International Airport / Lindbergh field ) has one big joint military / civilian runway. ) Everyone was aware that it was an emergency… LOL Her boy friend got her a slightly larger one, and sharpened it so as to be a better weapon. She carried that until she quit flying many years later. I think that was the major reason she slowly got out of the instruction business. She did instruction for a long time before this and has many storied, well, had, she passed last month. This happened in the late 60’s or early 70’s IIRC. Mom & Dad, my older sister, ( the one from this story ) and myself flew most of our lives in one way or the other. Got many stories but they mostly happened pre-911 so not many can relate to how it was then. 4 more sisters & a brother ( 7 of us siblings all together ) who were smart enough to make their living in ways that produced money & not hair raising adventures. Bawahahaha ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/52 "2015-10-19T19:34:59Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > That’s the level of detail that makes _me_ hard. Remember, you can’t spell HORNADY without HORNY! HORNADY! Ask for them today! ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/53 "2015-10-19T19:43:48Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > She remembered that she had a can opener in her purse ( she had a boyfriend that … ) so she got it out and went to town on him anywhere she could reach. Messed him up pretty bad. It apparently broke through to him and he just leaned back, dropped his hands and was quiet. Now I’m confused. Are “church key” and “can opener” your cute nicknames for guns, or are you advocating that we should all carry weaponised kitchen implements hidden on our persons? Because all I’ve got is an “egg beater”. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/54 "2015-10-19T19:57:44Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yesterday I drove aound with my Big C discount card in my billfold. When I stopped at the 7-Eleven no one noticed that I had the discount card. Zero. As it should be, as I didn’t display them. When I stopped for gas, the attendant looked at me funny, but at no time did I get the impression that he knew I had a Big C discount card. A different attendant came over to collect the money; I don’t think she knew either. > > I’m pretty sure the lady selling bakery goods didn’t know I had a Big C discount card on me either. I could go on and on, like OP did, but I think you get the idea. > > Not one single person ever suspected. But the Big C discount card was there the whole time, in case I needed it. This is obviously satire, and not bad at that, but damned if I can figure out which side it is satirizing… ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/55 "2015-10-19T21:07:14Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Now I’m confused. Are “church key” and “can opener” your cute nicknames for guns, or are you advocating that we should all carry weaponised kitchen implements hidden on our persons? Because all I’ve got is an “egg beater”. Once you’ve clipped each wire and sharpen the points, it’s perfect for stabbing people in the eyes. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/56 "2015-10-19T21:09:41Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > It is fun that people who have hunted for over 30-40 years & never had a weapon drop or fall over in that whole time that pop out all snarky when I relate that I dropped mine once in a PO. > > Some of the zingers were kinda cute actually. > > But I noticed no one got smart ass about my post # 12 or made any rebuttals about that post. […] Hell no. I _live_ in Tulsa, OK. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/57 "2015-10-19T22:46:44Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Once you’ve clipped each wire and sharpen the points, it’s perfect for stabbing people in the eyes. When they outlaw apostle spoons, only outlaws will carry apostle spoons. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/58 "2015-10-20T02:26:45Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Do anti-gun people object to concealed carry specifically? If so, why? > > I really am baffled by this. I asked in the other thread with zero response. Can someone explain it here, or do I need to open a new thread in IMHO? I’m not going to speak for everyone, and I’m hardly and expert or anything else. I’m not even sure if I’m “anti-gun” at all - but I do think that America has two very serious problems with guns 1. A “gun culture” - the stero-typical attitude of a “good guy with a gun” or Wyatt Earp type, this is probably personified by people like Zimmerman and similar ilk. 2. Guns are simply too easy to get and too easy to carry around with impunity. Personally - I don’t have a problem with “concealed carry”. I have no problem with the idea that people that need\* them being allowed to carry a gun - concealed or otherwise. The problem I have is that guns are too easy to get - and that with this the genuinely criminal that wants to use a gun for nefarious purposes has no problem getting or using a gun. With so many guns around I believe that far more robberies, assaults, beat-downs etc etc are facilitated by a gun than are stopped by a gun. I also believe that with guns so easy and common - it incentivises the criminal to get a gun, which leads to worse crimes. I also believe that guns are pretty useless for self-defense if both the criminal and the victim are armed - the one that draws first, that is expecting a confrontation (which is invariably the bad guy) will have a basically unassailable advantage. I also believe that this idea of “gun readily available for self defence” means that there are way too many guns lying around for kids to pick up and use, that the whole idea that guns are common leads to more kids doing stupid stuff. Further - the evidence that readily available guns lead to more suicides is unassailable. Which is a crying shame. Now I grew up on a farm, as a kid I worked at the local gun club - when I was a teenager we’d plink away with air-rifles and .22 (single shot) - - Defining need as one or more of the below a) Private bodyguard (properly licensed and trained as such) b) Someone who has had threats against their person (eg - domestic abuse etc) c) Someone who measurably has a high risk of facing violence ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/59 "2015-10-20T02:30:11Z")
**bengangmo** , have you ever even set foot in the United States? ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mactechs-first-constitutional-carry-concealed-carry-adventure/734927/60 "2015-10-20T03:08:20Z")
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