# Mad Men 2.1: "For Those Who Think Young" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 28, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917 "2008-07-28T16:15:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/21 "2008-07-30T00:08:03Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] I have to agree that this part of the story is problematic. How did he avoid the real Don Draper’s family upon his return from Korea? [/QUOTE] Good question! Draper’s family surely must have asked questions of the military when their son/husband/father didn’t come home. Unless he had no family – I don’t remember the details of the episode where he died. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/22 "2008-07-30T02:41:16Z")
[QUOTE=AuntiePam] Good question! Draper’s family surely must have asked questions of the military when their son/husband/father didn’t come home. Unless he had no family – I don’t remember the details of the episode where he died. [/QUOTE] They never covered any aspect of what the Draper family thought. That’s a bomb waiting to explode at some future time, I suppose. > [@Cat Fight](#): > > Weiner is so anal about details, I’m going to say ‘yes’ without even Googling. Yes, the tour of the White House special was on Valentine’s Day, 1962. But we established last season that there were so many problems with dates in the show that anal is hardly the word I’d use. Occasionally notices dates when it suits him is more like it. In this episode I didn’t really understand why Peggy was being so snappish to Don’s secretary. The secretary had no reason to lie for him, and we didn’t have any reason to think she was. So why did Peggy? I’m hoping that’s laying a future plot line as well. In fact, the entire episode felt like a series of plants for future episodes. Good thing the series just got 16 Emmy nominations. Without all that good will an episode this slow and mysterious might have sunk the whole season before it began! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/23 "2008-07-30T02:56:54Z")
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase] In this episode I didn’t really understand why Peggy was being so snappish to Don’s secretary. The secretary had no reason to lie for him, and we didn’t have any reason to think she was. So why did Peggy? I’m hoping that’s laying a future plot line as well. [/QUOTE] My interpretation of that scene was that Peggy was trying to teach Lois that you do NOT talk smack about your boss, or divulge personal information about him; don’t say anything behind his back you wouldn’t say to his face. Lois was being all flippant and mocking about Don’s “excuse” for not being in the office, when a secretary’s duty is simply to say, “He’s out.” And that’s all. Anything else is unprofessional and disrespectful. I’m not sure what Peggy’s motivation was: instilling principles of professionalism to the new secretary? Residual loyalty to Don? Trying to whip Lois into shape via tough love? Snotty condescension to a less able successor? All or some combination of of the above? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/24 "2008-07-30T03:15:54Z")
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase] In this episode I didn’t really understand why Peggy was being so snappish to Don’s secretary. The secretary had no reason to lie for him, and we didn’t have any reason to think she was. So why did Peggy? I’m hoping that’s laying a future plot line as well. [/QUOTE] I can’t tell from your post . . . did you get how Peggy knew she was lying? "He went to a movie. I think it was . . . {evil grin} . . . _Pinocchio!_ Heh heh heh heh . . . " ---
**Author:** ![Paige\_Turner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Paige\_Turner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paige_Turner)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/25 "2008-07-30T06:25:24Z")
[QUOTE=Rubystreak] I’m not sure what Peggy’s motivation was: instilling principles of professionalism to the new secretary? Residual loyalty to Don? Trying to whip Lois into shape via tough love? Snotty condescension to a less able successor? All or some combination of of the above? [/QUOTE] I’m going with a touch of B (loyalty to her mentor) and an ass-load of C (condescension - entirely based on hubris, I think) I’ve decided Elizabeth Moss is the best actress in the series, simply because I’ve found her so sweet and sympathetic in anything else I’ve seen her in, but as Peggy she’s such a cut-throat, climb-the-ladder-and-never-look-back career woman. With the most appalling taste in men. ---
**Author:** ![BaneSidhe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c5a1d2/32.png) [@BaneSidhe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BaneSidhe)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/26 "2008-07-30T13:22:00Z")
Any thoughts as to what’s keeping Campbell’s wife from getting pregnant? It’s obvious he’s not firing blanks! I thought Draper’s inability to get it up was from whiskey dick plus the phenobarbitol. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/27 "2008-08-02T01:05:56Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] I can’t tell from your post . . . did you get how Peggy knew she was lying? "He went to a movie. I think it was . . . {evil grin} . . . _Pinocchio!_ Heh heh heh heh . . . " [/QUOTE] It wasn’t that Peggy though she was lying; Peggy thought she was being disrespectful both about Don and toward herself. What’s up with the youthful duo that Don hired? Is it just me or did the one in the sweater have a _Russian_ accent? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/28 "2008-08-02T01:15:20Z")
[QUOTE=alphaboi867] Is it just me or did the one in the sweater have a _Russian_ accent? 😕 [/QUOTE] The bulky turtleneck sweater made me think Scandinavian. Didn’t he look like a Sven? TWOP has a bit of info on the next episode relating to Peggy: Peggy goes home to visit her family. There’s not much reason for us to meet her family, unless they’re raising her baby. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/29 "2008-08-02T01:15:28Z")
Swedish. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2008, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917/30 "2008-08-02T02:50:03Z")
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase] Swedish. [/QUOTE] Yeah. The cableknit turtleneck sweater would have given him away, even if he hadn’t spoken. Not very subtle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mad-men-2-1-for-those-who-think-young/457917.md?page=1)